DJM-400 with Innobender - dj forums

**emarx** · 10-29-09, 10:35 AM

Good news all I got a working prototype of the Innofader mounted at a 90 degree angle in the DJM-400. Fits like a glove! Lots of cool pics to follow soon...

The machinist making these tells me it's another week before we have a bunch, plus figure another week or two to get them shipped.

Thanks so much to Soulo and DJ Forums for making this happen!

DJzrule · 10-29-09, 10:39 AM

Good to hear Elliot, I'll wait for the pics though, I like shiny objects.

**DjChewns** · 10-29-09, 12:16 PM

Thank you for coining the phrase "Innobender"

GERTY · 10-29-09, 01:25 PM

Isn't the innofader like half the cost of the mixer? Couldn't you just get a sweet mixer around $600 and spend your money better? I mean hell Xone 92's are selling for $780 on ebay....

**Friction** · 10-29-09, 01:33 PM

But those mixers still wouldn't have the innofader, something people want.

GERTY · 10-29-09, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Friction

But those mixers still wouldn't have the innofader, something people want.

I know the DDM is the exception to the behringer quality rule for the most part and a good deal, but it's still a low end mixer so why not invest in a good mixer before throwing a nice fader in a budget one?

**Friction** · 10-29-09, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GERTY

I know the DDM is the exception to the behringer quality rule for the most part and a good deal, but it's still a low end mixer so why not invest in a good mixer before throwing a nice fader in a budget one?

Because this is for the the Pioneer DJM-400.

DJzrule · 10-29-09, 02:15 PM

Lol at the fail in Gerty's posts. The DDM fits the InnoFADER. The DJM400 fits the InnoBENDER. Period.

Kon · 10-29-09, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Friction

Because this is for the the Pioneer DJM-400.

nice one

**Friction** · 10-29-09, 02:22 PM

Did MONSTRÉ delete his own post or was that a mod.

In any case, not to detract any further from this thread, Emarx is always doing stuff like this based on what people ask for. I don't know how on earth we can fault that.

Warren T. · 10-29-09, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GERTY

I know the DDM is the exception to the behringer quality rule for the most part and a good deal, but it's still a low end mixer so why not invest in a good mixer before throwing a nice fader in a budget one?

The DJM400 is by no means a budget mixer...given its price tag.
But anyhows...budget mixer or not...the whole purpose of the Innofader is to give your mixer an awesome crossfader...regardless of it being budget or high-end. Not everyone here can drop their hard-earned money on a Xone 92 or other high end mixers which they probably won't utilize 100% of...like you.
I have a DDM4000 with the innofader installed and it served my needs very well....
When I'm ready to upgrade my mixer...which is nearer to end of the year..I will simply transfer the Innofader over.

GERTY · 10-29-09, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DJzrule

Lol at the fail in Gerty's posts. The DDM fits the InnoFADER. The DJM400 fits the InnoBENDER. Period.

ok you guys got me, I won't edit my posts, I misread. Alright this is MORE of a reason to get a better mixer, the DJM-400 is more expensive and WORSE than the DDM-4000. for the absurd price you pay for a 2 channel mixer with meh sound and crappy effects you can get a sick 4 channel mixer.....

**Friction** · 10-29-09, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GERTY

ok you guys got me, I won't edit my posts, I misread. Alright this is MORE of a reason to get a better mixer, the DJM-400 is more expensive and WORSE than the DDM-4000. for the absurd price you pay for a 2 channel mixer with meh sound and crappy effects you can get a sick 4 channel mixer.....

Without an innofader. Just move on man.

GERTY · 10-29-09, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Friction

Without an innofader. Just move on man.

ok you can get a top of the line 2 channel with innofader....

I see used TTM56's for sale under $400 all the time, you don't even need an innofdaer since it is already an awesome scratch mixer with a great crossfader.... If you have to have an innofdaer there are plenty of other 2 channel mixers that can fit it for less than just a DJM-400. It's still a cool concept for people who need to cling to their DJM-400's but who actually loves that mixer enough to upgrade it when they can get something better after selling it?

l0de · 10-29-09, 06:10 PM

Can you post the specs for this one? Interested if it will fit in: DN-X900, and NS7

**Epic Fail Guy** · 10-29-09, 07:08 PM

Wait, what's the Innobender?

DJ_Apex · 10-29-09, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Epic Fail Guy

Wait, what's the Innobender?

did you read the first post? It's an innofader mounted in a DJM400, but since it doesn't fit normally the OP had to mount it at an angle (still not clear if he actually means 90 deg). It's pretty obvious from the first post, I mean I had no idea until I actually read one of the posts.

**emarx** · 10-30-09, 10:24 AM

OK, as promised the Innobender prototype. One thing I noticed is that the curve / cut-in / tension adjustments are difficult to access this way. On the production pieces, these will be facing down so you don't have to disassemble the whole thing to access them:

And this shows you how it clears the components inside the DJM-400:

If you're still not convinced, here's everything put together:

**emarx** · 10-30-09, 10:41 AM

Just want to make a brief comment, I think Warren T. is onto something.

DJs often get gear they like overall but want a better or different crossfader. I even have Rane TTM owners who love the mixer but want a Vestaxy weighted fader that's also non-contact for longevity. Selling a mixer is often a pain in the butt, and you may get a little over 1/2 of the original value if you are lucky. It's all about getting more mileage out of your current gear, especially in this tight economy.

The Innobender happened because I kept getting requests to fit the DJM-400. Like it or not, the reality is DJs, especially in the Far East, have this image that Pioneer is best regardless and will fork out the dough for it. Because of the 2 channel format and relatively low cost, the DJM-400 has become a de facto scratch mixer, despite the fact that the crossfader isn't nearly durable enough for the task.

So it became imperative that we come up a solution for the DJM-400. The Innobender concept turned out to be the best way to get this done quickly.

TeLLy · 10-30-09, 10:43 AM

WOW. Just WOW. I bet this would have worked on my d.2 Pro if I still had it. Props again to the man emarx.

**JonAvalon** · 10-30-09, 11:39 AM

Great job Elliot, nice to see a proto done and fitted in the 400

**emarx** · 10-30-09, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TeLLy

WOW. Just WOW. I bet this would have worked on my d.2 Pro if I still had it. Props again to the man emarx.

The idea does work on the d.2 with a different bend angle. Maybe our next project?

Mark_Spit · 10-30-09, 11:29 PM

Looks really good Elliot. I'm glad I could help out

It really is pretty tight in there huh?!

**emarx** · 10-31-09, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by soulo

Looks really good Elliot. I'm glad I could help out

It really is pretty tight in there huh?!

Pioneer was kind enough to leave just barely enough room.

DJ Pulse · 11-01-09, 12:12 AM

Love it. Great work.

10-29-09, 10:35 AM	#1
emarx Innofader Guru Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 743 Track: Alex De Grassi "Clockwork"	DJM-400 with Innobender Good news all I got a working prototype of the Innofader mounted at a 90 degree angle in the DJM-400. Fits like a glove! Lots of cool pics to follow soon... The machinist making these tells me it's another week before we have a bunch, plus figure another week or two to get them shipped. Thanks so much to Soulo and DJ Forums for making this happen!

10-29-09, 10:39 AM	#2
DJzrule Famous by Design Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 4,409 Track: Get Far - "The Radio"	Good to hear Elliot, I'll wait for the pics though, I like shiny objects. __________________ SRSLY

10-29-09, 01:25 PM	#4
GERTY I've been Wanged! Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NY Posts: 1,229 Track: Danger - 88:88	Isn't the innofader like half the cost of the mixer? Couldn't you just get a sweet mixer around $600 and spend your money better? I mean hell Xone 92's are selling for $780 on ebay.... Last edited by GERTY : 10-29-09 at 01:34 PM.

10-29-09, 01:33 PM	#5
Friction Still Flyin' Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,180 Track: Still Flyin' - Higher Than Five	But those mixers still wouldn't have the innofader, something people want. __________________ Blog and mixes New Mix - DJF House Collaboration!

10-29-09, 02:15 PM	#8
DJzrule Famous by Design Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 4,409 Track: Get Far - "The Radio"	Lol at the fail in Gerty's posts. The DDM fits the InnoFADER. The DJM400 fits the InnoBENDER. Period. __________________ SRSLY


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10-29-09, 02:22 PM	#10
Friction Still Flyin' Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Montreal Posts: 7,180 Track: Still Flyin' - Higher Than Five	Did MONSTRÉ delete his own post or was that a mod. In any case, not to detract any further from this thread, Emarx is always doing stuff like this based on what people ask for. I don't know how on earth we can fault that. __________________ Blog and mixes New Mix - DJF House Collaboration!

10-29-09, 06:10 PM	#15
l0de Resident DJ Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 1,671 Track: Dj Assault: Ass and Titties	Can you post the specs for this one? Interested if it will fit in: DN-X900, and NS7 __________________ A free press can be good or bad, but, without freedom a press will never be anything but bad. ~Camus "What y'all thought y'all wasn't gon' see me? I'm the Osiris of this shit!" ~Abraham Lincoln Last edited by l0de : 10-29-09 at 06:17 PM.

10-29-09, 07:08 PM	#16
Epic Fail Guy I hate you all Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 6,298 Track: Chelley - Took The Night	Wait, what's the Innobender? __________________

10-30-09, 10:24 AM	#18
emarx Innofader Guru Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 743 Track: Alex De Grassi "Clockwork"	OK, as promised the Innobender prototype. One thing I noticed is that the curve / cut-in / tension adjustments are difficult to access this way. On the production pieces, these will be facing down so you don't have to disassemble the whole thing to access them: And this shows you how it clears the components inside the DJM-400: If you're still not convinced, here's everything put together:

10-30-09, 10:41 AM	#19
emarx Innofader Guru Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Taipei, Taiwan Posts: 743 Track: Alex De Grassi "Clockwork"	Just want to make a brief comment, I think Warren T. is onto something. DJs often get gear they like overall but want a better or different crossfader. I even have Rane TTM owners who love the mixer but want a Vestaxy weighted fader that's also non-contact for longevity. Selling a mixer is often a pain in the butt, and you may get a little over 1/2 of the original value if you are lucky. It's all about getting more mileage out of your current gear, especially in this tight economy. The Innobender happened because I kept getting requests to fit the DJM-400. Like it or not, the reality is DJs, especially in the Far East, have this image that Pioneer is best regardless and will fork out the dough for it. Because of the 2 channel format and relatively low cost, the DJM-400 has become a de facto scratch mixer, despite the fact that the crossfader isn't nearly durable enough for the task. So it became imperative that we come up a solution for the DJM-400. The Innobender concept turned out to be the best way to get this done quickly. Last edited by emarx : 10-30-09 at 10:49 AM.

10-30-09, 10:43 AM	#20
TeLLy Resident DJ Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,416 Track: Jimmy Bo Horne - Dance Across The Floor	WOW. Just WOW. I bet this would have worked on my d.2 Pro if I still had it. Props again to the man emarx. __________________ Stormtrooper MKII Karbon KLLA MKII Blue Steal MKII Limoncello M3D Sortafied NUO4.0

11-01-09, 12:12 AM	#25
DJ Pulse Superstar DJ Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2,100 Track: Kenya - weebls-stuff.com	Love it. Great work.