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    How to oust a bad promoter/DJ

    Seeking advice about a yearly event at which I perform. It's a convention, the apex of which is a dance that is attended by about 1000 people over the course of the night.

    Background:

    The guy who is officially in charge of the musical entertainment is constantly getting in the way of the show. He is so incompetent and useless that the first year we played this show, he didn't actually know who was bringing the sound system or when they would be there - or really much of anything. The guy couldn't even hook up and troubleshoot any of the gear - after several hours, he sheepishly relegated himself to being a gofer after it was repeatedly established that he didn't know what to do, nor what to tell everyone else to do. When his old ex showed up at the event, I kid you not, he spent the day hiding from her in his hotel room while I and my assistant ran the sound board and did his job for him.

    During the actual dance, he decided right before the show started that instead of sticking to the schedule, he was going to cut our slot down to 30 minutes so he could bring in his goth buddies (who were not scheduled to play, he just brought them in) and give them the choice times. About 10-15 minutes after our set, the crowd was about to riot unless we got back on. He tried once again to put his buddies back on... same thing again.

    The next year (did I mention he booked himself for the choice slots even though he couldn't beatmatch?), he forgot to bring his music with him. Yes, he left his binder of CDs in another state and did not notice it until setup. All he had were some goth / 80s / adult contemporary out in his car. A friend and I had to give him two CDs to play. Unbeknownst to anyone at this event, his whole first set was just playing sequential tracks from my CD. When he ran out of our tracks, he ended with the 80s stuff from his car (this is normally a high energy event with a lot of hardstyle, electro, hardcore, etc.). This time he also booked no one but goth bands (he books the bands too) and goth DJs. The only reason it wasn't a complete travesty was that he had my CD with appropriate music (he kept the CD and played it at several other shows). There was a ton of backlash against the all-goth lineup, so you'd figure he learned his lesson, right?

    Nope! The next year, it turned out that he never passed along our contract nor had it signed by the official staff (so everything from our handler to our badges was nonexistent). He didn't bring any new music - he downloaded a bunch of popular dubstep the day of the event and told us he was gonna just play that... whereas we had a massive selection of genres that go over well (dubstep kills the energy at this event after two songs - it's mostly a hard dance and electro show). He eventually agreed to bow out and just take the closing slot. Buuuuut then he set up his gear center stage, acted like he was playing during our set, and brought in a last-minute goth buddy (who didn't really even want to play, as he seemed to understand that this was a douche move and not his kind of gig) to take a chunk out of the timeslot we had agreed on.

    Current issues:
    This event has never had lighting, aside from maybe two little moonflowers and some stage washes, so this year I decided that I'd bring in a VJ and a lighting crew with a ton of lasers, strobes, etc. for our set. It's going to be a bigger year than ever - we're playing with Heavygrinder in a 600-person ballroom, and expecting record turnout - and I want to show the staff that (a) they need pro lighting to complement the pro sound, big room, and talent; and (b) that my crew goes beyond the call of duty, doing what the current joker is supposed to be doing and then some.

    The problem is that this guy is cockblocking us on the lighting - he's trying to bring in his own awful VJ from Sheeprape Arkansas who only does creepy goth visuals (I think we have established a pattern here), and won't give us a straight answer on whether there will be real lighting or just some washes. Honestly, I think he knows that we're going to make a bid to provide everything from booking DJs and bands to lighting and visuals this next year (in fact, we already approached the event committee with our credentials, and they said we would be the obvious choice for next year), and is just grasping for ways to keep us out of the loop and out his goth buddies in any position he can.

    The only reason this guy is in the position he's got is that he made a low bid for providing sound the year before we showed up, and he got buddy-buddy with some of the staff. From what I have heard from some staff, he is wearing out his welcome (he got "demoted" from core programming staff to just running the nightly music stuff, due to incompetence), but he has his supporters, and organizations like this tend to prefer stability to fixing non-critical things

    The other DJ in my crew is telling me I should just get this guy's screwups out in the open so that his name is mud, but I don't want to cause drama, and I want to present the event staff with solutions, not issues. I feel like I should have just let him faceplant the year he forgot all his music, but one the other hand that would have let down the crowd. Some way, though, this guy has got to go before he starts ruining this otherwise great event. I can't bail him out of everything, and at this point he is preventing us from fixing things that desperately need to be dealt with (e.g., lighting).

    I am not a man who is into subterfuge and brown-nosing, so I am a bit out of my element going up against this cocksucker.

    tl;dr, I'm looking for the best way to oust this guy without a lot of fallout.
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    Fire that cat and be done with him

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    Thing is, I'm not in a position to toss him myself. Otherwise he would have been gone day one. There's a committee that runs the event. They assigned him to managing the bands and DJs. We're the resident DJs, along with this dude. Technically we're under him or at least managed by him, though in practice it's a bit different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sephi View Post
    Thing is, I'm not in a position to toss him myself. Otherwise he would have been gone day one. There's a committee that runs the event. They assigned him to managing the bands and DJs. We're the resident DJs, along with this dude. Technically we're under him or at least managed by him, though in practice it's a bit different.
    So go to his boss.
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    That's where I'm seeking advice. I feel like if I go to his boss, well... it could look like I'm just trying to take his job. Nevermind that I would, and basically am, by going around him and submitting a proposal for next year's event - but what I'm saying is that it could look like I'm just trying to take his position for personal gain. I can't shake the feeling that it would reflect poorly on me, and that it would be perceived as me starting drama or wasting the event staff's time. Hope that makes sense.
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    I would say try to put something together that is close to the caliber of what you envision yourself doing if you get his gig. Then document it, and show it to this committee. Put together a small "business plan" to emphasize why your production would be better too. Sit back, jesus pose, profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sephi View Post
    That's where I'm seeking advice. I feel like if I go to his boss, well... it could look like I'm just trying to take his job. Nevermind that I would, and basically am, by going around him and submitting a proposal for next year's event - but what I'm saying is that it could look like I'm just trying to take his position for personal gain. I can't shake the feeling that it would reflect poorly on me, and that it would be perceived as me starting drama or wasting the event staff's time. Hope that makes sense.
    Go in there with a very specific lists of offenses and how you would've done it better/different.

    If he is as bad as you say, it shouldn't be that hard to get his boss to recognize the incompetence... unless his boss is even that much more incompetent.
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    Print this post. Get several others involved to back you. All of you go to committee together. Bust his arse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sobi View Post
    I would say try to put something together that is close to the caliber of what you envision yourself doing if you get his gig. Then document it, and show it to this committee. Put together a small "business plan" to emphasize why your production would be better too. Sit back, jesus pose, profit.
    This is where things are going. We've sent the committee a proposal with a big pool of great DJs (not just in my opinion - they're all veterans of similar events), lighting, visuals, the works. And it's all ready to go as soon as one contract is signed. They were really impressed. The other guy always takes months to get ahold of someone and book them, so this is probably refreshing.

    Is it really okay to bring up the guy's screwups? I'm still torn. On the one hand, I want to get them out there, and the committee deserves to know what's been going on; but on the other, I don't want to give them the wrong impression.

    Going to the committee with other people confirming/vouching for what's happened - I didn't even think of that.
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    why do you keep agreeing to work with him?

    You are making yourself look like an asshole - and allowing someone to treat you like an jerk. Is it really that important for you to play at this event?

    If ANYTHING is life is too much trouble. Do yourself a favor and remove it from your life. Plenty of other events and promoters to play with and for.

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