Anyone else see a DVS as a cheap compromise?

[Phi]

There is a difference between sharing it with people who really want to learn and have the motivation and dedication to do so and sharing it with someone who is doing it as a fad and will be over it when the next cool thing comes around.

I don't think its good or bad... it has both positives and negatives.

Most of the people DJing as a fad will stop when the fad wears off, but also some people might get into it because of a fad and become great "real" DJs when they fall in love with it.

I'm of the mind that music makes a positive influence in peoples life, and anything that gets the musical water in the melon is a good thing. (DVS, CD, Vinyl, anything)

[dlove]

Btw I thought you were a reggae DJ, surely you've come across a few not quite club-standard Jamaican presses etc?

Definitely, and I don't play them. I've got loads of badly-pressed 45's that I would never play out, and now I try not to buy anything that's not well-pressed. I hear the cries of STU-C, saying 'but what if it's a killer tune?!', well, there's thousands of other killer tunes that are better pressed, so I play them.

It's a bit like the question 'well, what if the track's only available as a rip-off, but you really want to play it, why not burn it off as a cd?'. I wouldn't, rather, I'd keep looking for a good vinyl copy, even if I never got it. It does limit, but there's limits on everything in life; it's all about choices.

and ps, I'm not a reggae DJ, although I do play reggae nights and on that point, not all reggae nights are strictly vinyl now - a lot of wicked European-based soundsystems are using DVS alongside traditional wax, precisely because it's more creative & flexible for producers to get their stuff out fast. I'd say full-on dubplate selectors are super-rare these days.

[dlove]

The audio degradation I was referring to is due to practicing scratches and beat-juggling. I have worn out two copies of Super Seal II, but my Dirtstyle files still sound great. If I stick to practicing a few hours every day, yes, audio degradation becomes noticeable within a month or two, and the samples I practice with are completely worn out in around six months. Same with needles, DVS saves me loads of money, and also allows me to become more creative with my routines

I do admit, if I was richer, I'd buy two copies of everything! There must be some magic attached to vinyl, because it's got me under it's spell. Plus, I've got 25 years worth; I can't switch now, because my whole vibe's wrapped up in the collection.

[Finnish_Fox]

Most of the people DJing as a fad will stop when the fad wears off, but also some people might get into it because of a fad and become great "real" DJs when they fall in love with it.

Doesn't change the fact I wouldn't waste my time on someone who doesn't show the least bit of motivation or interest in self-motivation. I have every faith that the kids that show zero of this are not likely to be the great "real" DJs.

I'm of the mind that music makes a positive influence in peoples life, and anything that gets the musical water in the melon is a good thing. (DVS, CD, Vinyl, anything)

Of course I am too - I am talking about using my own time and energy to share something I love. Its like anything else in life...

[dlove]

Doesn't change the fact I wouldn't waste my time on someone who doesn't show the least bit of motivation or interest in self-motivation. I have every faith that the kids that show zero of this are not likely to be the great "real" DJs.



I am talking about using my own time and energy to share something I love. Its like anything else in life...

Do you hold workshops, 'Fox? I used to hold workshops for kids in the community, (12 to 16 year olds). Out of the lot of them, only a couple were interested in learning (this was in the time of decks & vinyl), the rest just wanted to f-around, but that was ok too, because it kept them off the streets and got them talking to young adults with a passion.

[Phi]

Do you hold workshops, 'Fox? I used to hold workshops for kids in the community, (12 to 16 year olds). Out of the lot of them, only a couple were interested in learning (this was in the time of decks & vinyl), the rest just wanted to f-around, but that was ok too, because it kept them off the streets and got them talking to young adults with a passion.

+rep for social conscience

That was my whole point^^ It's a blessing to share the art. Disinterested youth's outlooks improve just by adults giving a damn and giving them a chance. Lots of young adults aren't going to be interested in anything untill you show them something interesting.

[Phi]

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[dlove]

+rep for social conscience

That was my whole point^^ It's a blessing to share the art. Disinterested youth's outlooks improve just by adults giving a damn and giving them a chance. Lots of young adults aren't going to be interested in anything untill you show them something interesting.

cheers Phi it was a great learning curve for me too; having to explain something that I 'just did' to people who weren't afraid to ask, and then say 'hah! that's easy!' Brilliant fun.

[mostapha]

Totally agree.

I bought SSL back in like 2005/6ish and then CDJs because I was sick of paying for vinyl. That was my only real motivation.

If I were making enough money from DJing to justify it, I'd switch back in a heart beat…take what I expected to play on vinyl and my archives on an SSD in a USB chassis.

I think DVS is amazing for hobbyists. But it's just plain not as simple or fulfilling as vinyl. And I have yet to hear anything that sounds great that you can't do with wax unless you're actually performing songs live……not deadmaofive style by triggering clips but orbital/underworld style where you're triggering clips, working with hardware, and doing something live. And after a few years, I've realized that nem0nic was completely correct.

That's not DJing.

If done right, it's still awesome. But it's a different beast.