Yeah Hygro but in the link, it's actually a live performance! Not only doing live vocals, but it's 3dudes doing live production on how ever the fuck many channel mixers and controlling the lights all at the same time. It's not some dude on ableton just cuing loops. It's actually making LIVE EDM ON LEGIT EQUIPMENT!! Not just one laptop and an Akai controller.I'm drunk so I know my post sounds bad, but I hope the message got across.
Last edited by contra; 05-20-2012 at 11:53 PM.
That's not entirely correct. Hip hop came out of DJs realizing that young dancers, alienated from the rest of society by clubs that didn't like them and ridiculously pervasive gangs, needed a place to go that was safe and fun, that actually celebrated life instead of glorifying white gentrification or death……and that they loved dancing………and that they enjoyed dancing to drum breaks on funk & soul records more than they enjoyed the actual records. House came out of the same kind of thing when people realized, "hey, there's something to this disco thing…but these people suck at it" and found the tools (drum machines, sequencers, and samplers) to move it forward and not require the same inbred, manufactured pop that the big labels were trying to cash in on following Saturday Night Fever.Originally Posted by Pri yon Joni
I interviewed at a studio in town not long ago. And one of the interns said something random disparaging about dance music (that it takes no talent to mix it…in the studio sense) and DJs, and the head engineer corrected him that there is definitely something special about the DJ vibe: it's not performance in the same sense as actually playing instruments, but they routinely do things that actual bands just can't.
And anyone who doubts that either doesn't know what they're talking about or doesn't like dance music.
Really? It's a live performance that has big lights and stuff…but no gimmicks. You don't see Karl biting the head off a bat or doing anything stupid to draw attention to himself……and he's Underworld's vocalist. There's a lot of him just standing there waiting for his vocal parts in songs that are largely instrumental-only. And he doesn't need a gimmick to make himself feel useful. He's not twisting knobs on equipment that doesn't do anything. He's not dancing around in a clown suit or breathing fire. He's just grooving to the music that he looks like he actually enjoys. Darren and Rick aren't wearing mouse heads or hockey masks for no reason. They actually like what they're doing and are confident in their music's ability to speak without a gimmick…and it shows.
Their live setup is based on a combination of Maschine and Ableton (though just Ableton when that was filmed) and synthesizers run on several Macs through an analog console. It's not even that big of an analog console…looks like a 48 channel a&h to me. Occasionally one/more of them plays guitar or synth. And they're certainly doing a lot more than deadmaofive does during his "live" shows based on the videos I've seen.
(screen cap from NI's video about Underworld's use of Maschine)
But they're not all busy all the time. And they don't need a gimmick to draw huge crowds or be confident on stage.
At least read the next post before replyingthat video was awesome.
hehe no worries. my bad
I didn't make my post to win friends, I made my post because that's the way I feel about the topic. If you agree with me great, if not, then lets talk. You obviously and I obviously don't share the same perceived value of say a $60 ticket or we have different expectations. For $60 ($120 if bringing the wife) I want to watch a show. I want to see production, I want to see that my $60 went to something more than the artist and promoters fancy new car. Now for you, $60 is worth the price just to hear (insert world famous dj here) spin tunes for a couple of hours. You know what...I have no problems with that, I wouldn't do it, but its your money.Maybe these acts wear the mask because they have social anxiety and feel protected from discrimination when infront of a crowd of 1000+ people
Oh and highline, you aren't winning any friends. Your first post in this subjects was terrible. 'When you pay 20-60 for a ticket you expect a show'??? Dude, I was paying 80 a ticket for a night of wicked tunes everytime I would go to a rave and believe me, non of these artists would wear masks or do stupid shit, they'd ONLY spin on the decks. Back in the day we payed for TALENT, not show.
LEGIT EQUIPMENT....WTF is legit equipment? It either performs a task or it does not. Are you saying that a computer is not legit equipment cause guess what, there was a whole shit load of them in the background. Or are you simply awed by a large format live sound console? A rather old analog one at that...
They are doing the same stuff that someone like deadmau5 does except at the very end, they are manually bringing up the channel faders instead of letting the computer do it. Its just as much of a show as any mainstream concert. And by the way, they were not controlling the lights, there wasn't a lighting console anywhere on that stage. So the only way they could be controlling the lights would be through Midi and at that, point, the entire show is canned and there are really no live elements other than the vocal....hummm just like a mainstream show.
So in a nut shell you like to watch dudes twist knobs and I like to watch women twist hips...
Just so you the parties I would go to would have 4 international headliners and about 8 locals. They were also nine or ten hour events so really, I'm not even paying 10 an hour to hear the world's best dj's spinning all their unreleased new tracks. Also, every so often there would be LIVE acts. Seeing as this was in the early 2000's live meant really....no computers. Dudes would just show up with a couple synths, Rolands, and actually make music. Like I said, not just copy and paste a bunch of loops. Now if you want to spend 60 just to see one headliner and one local....who's really paying for promoters and artists cars??
I'm saying that if a guy is going to sell himself as a live act, actually do something impressive. I've seen youtube clips of the most popular acts nowadays, and I'm not impressed. They're more of a Flavour Flav than a Chuck D if you know what I mean. You want to see actual impressive live acts.......try John 00 Fleming, DAVE the Drummer, Underworld, the Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, Infected Mushroom.......need I go on? When you see a show from these guys it's not just someone pushing a cue button every couple minutes and dancing around like a retard for the rest of it.
Oh and btw, I'd rather see a guy use analog more than digital anyday. It's like watching a guy using vinyl compared to digital. It's just personal preferance.
Last edited by contra; 05-21-2012 at 02:34 PM.
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