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    Back in the day, if I had not snatched an absolute bargain on a Xone, I would have bought an Ecler without a shadow of a doubt. Top shelf gear.

    yes, absolutely having compared the Nuo to for example a Xone 62 which I have, when pushed the Ecler definitely distorts a bit
    I had the Xone maxxed out at a gig once and it purred, everyone was flabbergasted by the lack of distortion. That said, you wouldn't normally push any mixer that hard for any other purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manu View Post
    Back in the day, if I had not snatched an absolute bargain on a Xone, I would have bought an Ecler without a shadow of a doubt. Top shelf gear.



    I had the Xone maxxed out at a gig once and it purred, everyone was flabbergasted by the lack of distortion. That said, you wouldn't normally push any mixer that hard for any other purposes.
    True!

    But with most of todays kids ("DJs"), they can't even tell if the sound is already distorting. To them, playing louder sound means they are better DJs.
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    That's their problem not mine, up to them to 1. read the manual 2. learn the basics

    I actually lost count of people who asked why their mixes sound quality is rubbish. Even worse when you own pioneer, the built in limiter/compressor thing kills the dynamics even more.

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    Even worse when you own pioneer, the built in limiter/compressor thing kills the dynamics even more.
    I think dynamics is actually why so many audiophiles prefer the sound of old vinyl records.
    Although AAD CDs from old recordings should accomplish those same dynamics.
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    Vinyl records still remain the true uncompressed stuff to this day (to some extent) . Beyond that you can record away and try a faithful digital copy, it's still not going to cut it.

    I'm going to use the analogy of the sausage that you cannot cut in bits, then glue it back again to make it sound the same.

    Anyways, let's not try to get ourselves into that good old Digital vs Vinyl and analogue conversation again shall we

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    Ha! I won't change your mind, I know. But the inconvenient truth is that even the lowly CD has a MUCH greater dynamic range than vinyl. There's no contest.

    What you're complaining about is (now decades long) trend toward mastering everything as "loud" as possible. This has nothing to do with digital vs analog and everything to do with producers and labels wanting their track to sound louder than the last one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by light-o-matic View Post
    What you're complaining about is (now decades long) trend toward mastering everything as "loud" as possible.
    Which is why I said:
    AAD CDs from old recordings should accomplish those same dynamics
    With DDD recordings it is possible to have a song with an almost solid (peaked out) waveform. Something that is probably not even physically possible with record players.
    But the number of US Supreme Court judges was always 6.
    Then it was 5, then 6, then 7, then 9, then 10, then 7, and then 9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by light-o-matic View Post
    Ha! I won't change your mind, I know. But the inconvenient truth is that even the lowly CD has a MUCH greater dynamic range than vinyl. There's no contest.

    What you're complaining about is (now decades long) trend toward mastering everything as "loud" as possible. This has nothing to do with digital vs analog and everything to do with producers and labels wanting their track to sound louder than the last one.
    Dynamics stop at the 0 in digital format, while you don't get clipping with analogue. I can think of DDD albums that sound awesome, see Dire Straits Brothers in Arms. Going as loud as possible is something you can't do with vinyl. Back in the days you turned up the volume, not the limiter. I'm not complaining, just pointing out that on pioneer gear, the sound is going to be squashed if you ever try to push the gain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manu View Post
    Dynamics stop at the 0 in digital format, while you don't get clipping with analogue. I can think of DDD albums that sound awesome, see Dire Straits Brothers in Arms. Going as loud as possible is something you can't do with vinyl. Back in the days you turned up the volume, not the limiter. I'm not complaining, just pointing out that on pioneer gear, the sound is going to be squashed if you ever try to push the gain.
    Bringing this thread back from the dead

    "You don't get clipping with analog"...

    That's just simply not true. Display the output of an analog amplifier on an oscilloscope. Run a sine wave into it and watch the scope.. you turn it up past a certain point, it will clip clear as day.

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    Some clip softer than others. Analog Xones tend to clip gradually, while a Biamp/Advantage would clip harder than a digital mixer that lacks a limiter with a nasty snap/crackle/pop even more annoying than any digital clipping. I prefer the latter, because then I know 1) I'm getting the most out of it when it's right below clipping, and 2) that people aren't pushing past a certain peak or gradually adding distortion.
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