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    An Open Challenge To All DMC Competitiors

    Check out this article by J Slim... What do you think of DMC's lately ?

    Here is small sample from the article but I highly recommend following the link to read the entire article.

    http://www.djtechtools.com/2012/04/0...-competitiors/

    The DMC World DJ Championship is in the middle of their regional battles, and the DMC Online Round 1 winners are set to be announced tomorrow (April 10th). Jay Slim, a current DMC judge and former competitor who was featured in “Scratch”, has issued a special challenge to all the competitors. Read on for his perspective on the current state of the DMC, why it needs to get better, and how entrants can stand out.

    It’s that time of year again and DMC season is upon us for its 27th go-round. For someone that’s been a turntablist and ex-DMC’er (you may have seen the below clip of my “If you step up, you get hurt” routine from the 2000 US DMC in the documentary “Scratch”) for as long as I have, it’s kind of a shock to realize the DMC has been going on for that long.

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    The DMC Of Olde
    I discovered and started following the DMC back in the early 90’s, and what I really remember is how much effort it took to even see the events before Youtube. You couldn’t just plop down on the couch, grab the laptop and do a Google search. Every year, it would be an ordeal
    of finding out when the video tapes (remember those?) were coming out, tracking down a local shop that had them in stock, plopping down three days of lunch money and driving through another two hours of LA traffic just to get into a shouting match with my sister for control over the wired remote for the VCR. Even with all that effort, I remember it always being worth every hour in the car, every missed lunch, every drop of gas, and every strained vocal chord because you always witnessed some new technique or style that got your head bobbing and the rewind button worn out.

    Then after a while, that all went away. Eventually, it got to the point where it was a struggle for me to sit through an entire DJ battle. My rewind button wasn’t being worn down any more. My fast-forward button, however, was. So what happened?
    Musicality started going out the door. Things stopped being innovative. Everyone started to sound the same.
    Ultimately, it just didn’t sound good anymore. And it stayed that way.

    Something has to change, and it’s up to you, the current generation of competitors, to make it happen. As an ex-competitor and current judge, I’m calling every one of you out right now. In the spirit of the battle, I’m challenging you to step your game up, and shut me the hell up.
    It seems like scratch sets today are all focused on showing off how fast and clean you can scratch. But consider this quote from I-Emerge’s ‘04 set:
    “you forgot about one little thing: It’s called THE MUSIC”.
    Today’s sets are almost entirely comprised of monotonous 32nd note patterns (In case you don’t know what 32nd notes are, just imagine any really fast scratching you’ve heard recently. Those are 32nd notes). They sound more like robots going down a pre-programmed list of scratches, rather than human expression. Yeah, I get that people are varying up the scratching techniques, but guess what. It still essentially sounds the same if you’re doing everything in the same rhythm, regardless of how many different combinations of clicks, tears, and babies (the scratch technique!) you throw in there. Keep doing those techniques, but vary up the rhythm. Try adding some shuffle, swing, and syncopation to your patterns. Also, don’t ignore the effect of pitch/velocity on your scratches. Lastly, like I used to really emphasize to all my students at Cal and the norcalDJMPA with DJ’s Pone and Vin Roc, silence is also a technique. Consider Q-Bert’s words:
    [Scratching is] kinda like talking, you just speak what you’re saying; . . . each technique is a word, so the larger your vocabulary, the more articulate[ly] you can speak.]
    Build up the vocabulary, but use it appropriately. Personally, I don’t like talking with people when all they use are really big words while speaking at a hundred words per minute. Do you?

    TL;DR - DMC's are differnt nowadays and J Slim doesn't like it

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    boohoo poor J Slim...

    Is he really thinking that DMC competitors are reading DJ Tech Tools?

    there is more to be said about that article but I don't feel like it. it's just very suited to the audience of the site.

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    I was going post this article I read it yesterday. I agree with Jay slim DMC is not what it was. It's turned into a circle of jerk of guys scratching "ahh" and "Fresh" and most routines are horridly hard to listen to. You have dj's beatjuggling wack tracks and throwing a few disses and then then they go into triple-galatic-buttscrathing crip-flarecrab- scrathing over an even lamer turd of a beat. There's no funk left. Most the competitors are trying impress their friends with their awful taste in music and how fast they can cut "Ah" and "fresh". DMC should ban using those two samples. Any dj who uses them is just lazy and uncreative. With vinyl or a DVS you have access to any sound but yet you can only scratch the same two sounds? Any DJ who uses ah & fresh doesn't deserve to be in DMC. DMC is for the best of the best not for the lazy,lame and uncreative.

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    The only reason "ahhh or fresh" is used is to gauge a DJ's skill with that sound.

    4:16 below



    Honestly, it just seems that J-Slim is butthurt because the DMC evolved into who can make the more technical routine. Ever since ie.Merg did his 2004 routine, the whole game changed with his real technical routines and his aggressive style. Once the European guys saw how well it did, Netik won the 2006 DMC, Rafik the 2007, Fly the 2008, etc. They all had their routines made by Le Jad, a popular beat maker for Euro scratch DJs and it's simply how the DMCs evolved. If the art form doesn't evolve, then it will die. I am happy Vajra won the 2011 DMC because he brought back the classic party rock turntablism the DMCs have been missing, plus I believe he should have won in 2004. Honestly, I love both the classic style DMC routines and the new style ones (if well done).



    So just because Vajra used an Ahhh at 4:31 makes him lazy, lame, and uncreative?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ CirKutCision View Post
    The only reason "ahhh or fresh" is used is to gauge a DJ's skill with that sound.

    4:16 below



    Honestly, it just seems that J-Slim is butthurt because the DMC evolved into who can make the more technical routine. Ever since ie.Merg did his 2004 routine, the whole game changed with his real technical routines and his aggressive style. Once the European guys saw how well it did, Netik won the 2006 DMC, Rafik the 2007, Fly the 2008, etc. They all had their routines made by Le Jad, a popular beat maker for Euro scratch DJs and it's simply how the DMCs evolved. If the art form doesn't evolve, then it will die. I am happy Vajra won the 2011 DMC because he brought back the classic party rock turntablism the DMCs have been missing, plus I believe he should have won in 2004. Honestly, I love both the classic style DMC routines and the new style ones (if well done).



    So just because Vajra used an Ahhh at 4:31 makes him lazy, lame, and uncreative?
    Vajra won because he had old school style set which why many other long time battle deejays have entered this year. They figured if that kind of a set can win they now have a chance. Vajra is the first Hip Hop Dj to win DMC in years and even Vajra has been seduced by the fads and trends (here).

    Is Vajra lazy for using ahh in his set? Yes he is because Vajra is good solid deejay and instead laying down cuts with any sample he used tired old sample everybody else uses.

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    I agree. Ahh and Fresh are the bare essentials when it comes to skratching. Its just how you use them. There is a reason all the great turntablists in the world still use that sample. Not everybody can be D-Styles.

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    entire custom sets ruined battles for me.

    shit will never be the way it was.

    turntablism pre-2005 >
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaySwift View Post
    I agree. Ahh and Fresh are the bare essentials when it comes to skratching. Its just how you use them. There is a reason all the great turntablists in the world still use that sample. Not everybody can be D-Styles.

    1998 DMC is one of the most classic DMCs.
    You're wrong ah and fresh not bare essentials they're sounds that can take alot work to make it sound bad which why those who use it are lazy. Instead digging for sounds everybody just uses the same two sounds to impress themselves because they know if they scratch any other sound they scratches wouldn't sound so clean and or as good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamza21 View Post
    You're wrong ah and fresh not bare essentials they're sounds that can take alot work to make it sound bad which why those who use it are lazy. Instead digging for sounds everybody just uses the same two sounds to impress themselves because they know if they scratch any other sound they scratches wouldn't sound so clean and or as good.
    Well, if you want to complain to someone, call up Dirt Style and tell him that they're hurting all scratch DJs with the printing of an "ahh" or a "fresh" on their scratch records. Might as well call up any other battle record company and tell them to stop printing any of their battle records because it's taking the art of digging for rare samples and beats out of the equation. If that's how it was, then maybe we shouldn't have evolved past 1990 (Qbert's Battle Breaks came out in 1991) and stay the same. Also, "ahh" and "fresh" don't take a lot of work to sound bad. Even if your timing is off just a bit or a click comes in at the wrong place in time, it will sound off just like how it'd sound with any other sample.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ CirKutCision View Post
    Well, if you want to complain to someone, call up Dirt Style and tell him that they're hurting all scratch DJs with the printing of an "ahh" or a "fresh" on their scratch records. Might as well call up any other battle record company and tell them to stop printing any of their battle records because it's taking the art of digging for rare samples and beats out of the equation. If that's how it was, then maybe we shouldn't have evolved past 1990 (Qbert's Battle Breaks came out in 1991) and stay the same. Also, "ahh" and "fresh" don't take a lot of work to sound bad. Even if your timing is off just a bit or a click comes in at the wrong place in time, it will sound off just like how it'd sound with any other sample.
    You're prime example why deejays are lazy you lack the ability to tell the forest from the trees.

    1)Dirt style is a company selling a product and companies sell more of their product by giving their consumers more of what they want to buy.
    2)Dirt style battle records are full of samples of other sounds not just ahh and fresh
    3) Dirt Style is NOT guardians of conservators of Hip Hop Deejaying so what they do or don't do it's relevant.
    4)Ahh and fresh do take alot work to sound bad only someone who's not cut a variety of sounds would know that. Not every scratch sounds good with every sample which why people use ah and fresh because every scratch technique does sound good using those two samples. They're crutches. Instead of discovering what techniques sound good with which type of sound (long, short,kick drum, snare drum,etc) nowadays lazy deejays practice their techniques only using 2 sounds. What has happened to graf has happened to Hip hop deejays.

    In graff you have people who learn how to tag and then expanded to doing piece. They upgraded their skills and evolved. Now you have taggers who only mission is gain fame by writing their name, no matter how fugly it looks, on as many places as possible and with no desire to evolve their skills. Quantity over quality. That has happened to the Hip Hop deejay scratch nerds who spend all their time scratching ahh and fresh only. No evolving of skill.

    I dare any deejay to stop using ahh and fresh use any other sound and practice their techniques. You''ll discover you techniques are not as clean. That chirp flare crab combo you think sound so nice when you do that same technique with other sounds you'll discover your timing is off and doesn't sound as pristine as you think. Don't believe try yourself and you'll hear it for yourself.

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