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    ^Tobias,as much as loved your post,i found 2 issues with it.first off is the pricing,if money isn't an issue,then your recommendations, would be a nice way to go...but,you're recommending a Apogee Emsemble FW at $2,500,Logic Pro X at $200,and Ortofon Black 2M at $750 a pop.. I'm happy for your good futune,but personally,I can't even afford this conversation. My second issue,is more of a question..those two recording you posted are too pristine,I just finished digitizing 3,000 vinyl records,knowing that no vinyl record, records the same(far as sound levels,noise,pops and hiss,they're inherent in all vinyl records,no matter the quality of your recording equipment).did you use a standalone third party software to clean your recordings(as I did),or a AU/or VST plug-in for Logic?
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    Someone's opionion on the 5 best phono cartridges under $200.. any of these will be better than any DJ cart. It's always a balancing act figuring out how much you want to spend on things.. especially in a situation like this where you are spending a lot of time digitizing records and really won't do it again once you do it the first time.. so whatever quality you get is what you will have to live with till you die... But that said, these are all quite respectable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisBdrmDJ 2.0 View Post
    (far as sound levels,noise,pops and hiss,they're inherent in all vinyl records,no matter the quality of your recording equipment)
    If the record is in good condition, properly cleaned, and static free (Demagnetized with a degausser or an antistatic gun.) there shouldn't be any noticeable noise, pops, and hiss.
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    Hi DennisBdrmDJ 2.0
    ^Tobias,as much as loved your post,i found 2 issues with it.first off is the pricing,if money isn't an issue,then your recommendations, would be a nice way to go...but,you're recommending a Apogee Emsemble FW at $2,500,Logic Pro X at $200,and Ortofon Black 2M at $750 a pop.. I'm happy for your good futune,but personally,I can't even afford this conversation. My second issue,is more of a question..those two recording you posted are too pristine,I just finished digitizing 3,000 vinyl records,knowing that no vinyl record, records the same(far as sound levels,noise,pops and hiss,they're inherent in all vinyl records,no matter the quality of your recording equipment).did you use a standalone third party software to clean your recordings(as I did),or a AU/or VST plug-in for Logic?
    My second option was the audiophile anal route and not for everyone. As you have pointed out, it's not cheap!(hence still living at home in my 30s, plus a housing crisis in the UK, I'm an introvert so don't socialise much, nor do I drink or smoke...but I digress). The first option is more than adequate.

    Regarding my too pristine recordings, on the 1st one at 24 and 26 seconds, on the left speaker, you can hear very faint crackle.
    The only editing excluding topping and tailing them was to take out the obvious clicks using logic's sample editor. You can draw out the click very easily. I also do very basic mastering such as adding a little high frequency, putting a small amount of compression on (1 or 2 dB reduction max). I use the waves API 2500 Comp, waves VEQ-4 and the L1 maximizer. I use them as subtly as possible because I have no idea what I'm doing when mastering.
    The majority of the tracks I've uploaded I haven't touched in terms of fixing. I can happily upload a before and after.

    I do a 2 step clean using a vacuum record cleaner. 1st clean with cleaning fluid, 2nd clean with distilled water. As long as you don't over dry the record or wear any super synthetic clothing, you should be ok with static.
    Having the high end equipment, the cleaning machine and looking after my records (I have a number that need replacing from the early days when I wasn't so careful) help make them sound they way they do.

    How long did it take you do your records? I have a mere 700 and have only done about 50 so far and finding it mind boggling tedious.
    Clean record, record both sides, edit tracks, listen to tracks for noise (reclean and rerecord if too much noise), master tracks, upload to youtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias Enstrom View Post
    Hi DennisBdrmDJ 2.0


    My second option was the audiophile anal route and not for everyone. As you have pointed out, it's not cheap!(hence still living at home in my 30s, plus a housing crisis in the UK, I'm an introvert so don't socialise much, nor do I drink or smoke...but I digress). The first option is more than adequate.

    Regarding my too pristine recordings, on the 1st one at 24 and 26 seconds, on the left speaker, you can hear very faint crackle.


    I do a 2 step clean using a vacuum record cleaner. 1st clean with cleaning fluid, 2nd clean with distilled water. As long as you don't over dry the record or wear any super synthetic clothing, you should be ok with static.
    Having the high end equipment, the cleaning machine and looking after my records (I have a number that need replacing from the early days when I wasn't so careful) help make them sound they way they do.

    How long did it take you do your records? I have a mere 700 and have only done about 50 so far and finding it mind boggling tedious.
    Clean record, record both sides, edit tracks, listen to tracks for noise (reclean and rerecord if too much noise), master tracks, upload to youtube.
    don't think for a second,I was knocking you..loved your post,and like you,I have gone to extremes and expensive measures,to make my recordings,..almost 2,000 records,recorded to .Wav files...want to talk about tedious! it took me 9 months,to clean,record,edit,and move all the files (159 GB)to a cloud storage.I will expand on why,and how in another post..I'm off to work.cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windows 95 View Post
    If the record is in good condition, properly cleaned, and static free (Demagnetized with a degausser or an antistatic gun.) there shouldn't be any noticeable noise, pops, and hiss.
    Vinyl records are not magnetic! some demagnetize the cart,to help in picking-up the mid and bass in the record..many a audiophile will even go as far to debunk that process...Static,a different subject altogether,is better remedy by storing your records in either rice-paper record sleeves,or anti-magnetic sleeves.anti-static spraying,again only helps the contact between cart, and record,and it does reduce some small levels of electro-magnetism noise,not pops and nor hiss.

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    The reason people have been buying antistatic devices for their vinyl for decades is because they work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisBdrmDJ 2.0 View Post
    is better remedy by storing your records in either rice-paper record sleeves,or anti-magnetic sleeves.
    Both are kind of crappy options in my opinion, since it's easy to scratch your records with them when you move your vinyl in & out of them.

    I prefer lined sleeves.
    http://www.needledoctor.com/12-Paper...Sleeve-25-pack

    Quote Originally Posted by DennisBdrmDJ 2.0 View Post
    anti-static spraying
    I wouldn't use that since it can leave a film on the record. I'd just use normal record cleaner.

    80% = Distilled Water
    20% = Isopropyl Alcohol 99.9% purity
    Wetting Agent = 5ml (a teaspoonful) per liter of final cleaning mix (Ilford Ilfotol, Kodak Photo-Flo, etc.)

    Myself personally, since I have a problem with mold, I also add some distilled white vinegar.
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    Windows95,
    I'm on the fence with the static gun. a) I've not used one so have no first hand knowledge, b)when researching I found it was 50/50 for and against and c) they are 49+ over here.
    I'm glad I didn't invest in one after I improved my technique on the RCM. Saved myself 49

    DennisBdrmDJ 2.0,
    I did a demo of iZotope RX and found it wasn't much good for dance music. It would make them sound dull when I tried to take the crackle out. It did work well for pops and clicks though.
    Logic was a much cheaper option as I already had it and works really well on clicks and pops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias Enstrom View Post
    Windows95,
    I'm on the fence with the static gun. a) I've not used one so have no first hand knowledge, b)when researching I found it was 50/50 for and against and c) they are 49+ over here.
    I think I paid less than $5 at a K-Mart in the 1970s for mine. They became expensive when vinyl records went from something the masses bought, to something hipsters & audiophiles buy.

    Record vacuum machines become unbelievably over priced in recent years. (Every since CDs became more popular than records.)
    Something I kind of wish I would have bought back in the 1970s or 1980s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias Enstrom View Post
    Windows95,
    I'm on the fence with the static gun. a) I've not used one so have no first hand knowledge, b)when researching I found it was 50/50 for and against and c) they are 49+ over here.
    I'm glad I didn't invest in one after I improved my technique on the RCM. Saved myself 49

    DennisBdrmDJ 2.0,
    I did a demo of iZotope RX and found it wasn't much good for dance music. It would make them sound dull when I tried to take the crackle out. It did work well for pops and clicks though.
    Logic was a much cheaper option as I already had it and works really well on clicks and pops.
    All you are doing by removing clicks and pops and EQing is changing phase relationships, changing the mixing and mastering decisions of the original engineers, and generally lowering the sound quality.

    I simply cant understand why people go to the trouble of digitising their records using a decent signal path, and then ruining them with post processing software. Different strokes I guess. Youre never going to achieve anywhere near the quality of a professionally mastered version.

    I think youd be surprised about how many tracks you have, have been remastered digitally. For me, paying $2 to have all of that pro attention to a track far outweighs the effort required to make a mediocre version myself.

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