Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234
Results 31 to 39 of 39

Thread: Vinyl to MP3...

  1. #31
    Member DennisBdrmDJ 2.0's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    1,918
    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    can all agree that vinyl mastering is a compromise. There are certain tracks released on vinyl that will never sound 'good' or even as the artist intended, based on the fact that the vinyl mastering process is limited - whether it be by frequencies or dynamic range.
    Even in the situation where a master is perfect, the record will only sound 'correct' for the first few plays before the vinyl medium degrades.
    Also bear in mind that a lot of mastering engineers are either not good, or not putting out their best work into a lot of tracks.

    So to then turn around and say that through post-processing it is ruining the sound, sounds a bit rich. The sound is already compromised.
    Wow I couldn't have said it,any better!...or as we use to say,around here..This!

  2. #32
    Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    295
    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post

    So to then turn around and say that through post-processing it is ruining the sound, sounds a bit rich. The sound is already compromised.
    Except that the mastering has had a greater chance of being done by a professional with experience and a tuned room than by an amateur who by their own admission doesnt really understand how EQ works.

    Compromise is a spectrum, and its up to each person how willing they are to go along that spectrum.

  3. #33
    Moderator pete's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    old orléans
    Posts
    1,626
    Quote Originally Posted by ImNoDJNo View Post
    Except that the mastering has had a greater chance of being done by a professional with experience and a tuned room than by an amateur who by their own admission doesnt really understand how EQ works.

    Compromise is a spectrum, and its up to each person how willing they are to go along that spectrum.
    I totally agree. Mastering is an art and takes a gentle hand, so it is best avoided at all costs, especially as it can make a bad sounding record worse. But there are tools available now that masterers did not have in the past, and without having the constraints of mastering for vinyl it is possible to do things like expand the dynamic range.
    Also the most talented vinyl master engineer for DJ music died in 2011.

    In all cases I can't see a reason for trying to digitize from a record when a digital copy is available. In the very rare case that it is a "vinyl only" release (which has certainly been prepared digitally if it is a general modern release), I would contact the artist and politely ask for a digital version.

    I have great albums that sound like a$$, such as 3 Feet High And Rising. But I still always buy vinyl. When I used to work in the industry I had a budget each month for free music. While all my colleagues got CDs, I chose vinyl. I now feel my choice was certainly the better investment. Plus the promo CDs were always in abundance, cos, well, they cost nothing to make. Unlike a beautiful gatefold record, that took skill to make, master and press.
    Last edited by pete; 05-20-2017 at 02:30 PM.
    bored, curious, deaf or just bad taste in music?
    finally a mix by me
    and what's this, another shoddy mix...another dull mix

  4. #34
    Member DennisBdrmDJ 2.0's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    1,918
    Quote Originally Posted by pete View Post
    Also the most talented vinyl master engineer for DJ music died in 2011.
    As much,as I wish this thread to go back to discussing ripping vinyl records,or a subject we really haven't touched,."post-processing recording"...I'm going to take the bait,..Who(m)???

  5. #35
    Moderator pete's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    old orléans
    Posts
    1,626
    Nilesh Patel.
    Have a look in your collection and see if you see the words "Nilz - The Exchange" etched on the runout of a record. Even if the track is poor, the mastering should cut the mustard.

    https://www.discogs.com/artist/386598-Nilesh-Patel

    I mean, I'm quite partial to George Peckham's work, but Nilesh set the standard with dance tracks through the 90s and 00s.
    Last edited by pete; 05-20-2017 at 03:15 AM.
    bored, curious, deaf or just bad taste in music?
    finally a mix by me
    and what's this, another shoddy mix...another dull mix

  6. #36
    Ok.. not to beat a dead horse..

    but this whole idea that what you do to a recording that's ripped from vinyl is "mastering"........

    When professionals master a track they start with the unmastered track.. the master tape in the old days, an uncompressed digital file now. Or if the final mix was on a DAW, then they might start with stems and be able to work with the individual elements.. to arrive at the final product. When something is "remastered" they go back to the source tape and do it again.

    But once all that's done and it's been put on the record, you have actually very limited ability to change those decisions. For example, if a high pass has been applied you can't really undo it.. compression can be counteracted with expansion but it doesn't usually work super well.

    So yea, I'm not saying that any of you are not capable of taking a vinyl rip and possibly improving on certain aspects of the sound.. I'm sure it's possible and I'm sure it happens. But I wouldn't call it "mastering". Everyone and their dog is a mastering engineer these days yet there's so much bad bad sound out there, much more bad than good.. it seems and when discussion goes in this direction I can't help but cringe a little wondering what these results really are (maybe not for every DJ who's doing it, every time.. but probably most of them, most of the time).

    Nothing personal guys.. we've been having these conversations a long time, I know you're not dummies. But less is more.

  7. #37
    Member Daniel S's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Sweden Booyaka
    Posts
    674
    With all this talk about mastering, here's what an expert and a true legend has to say about the subject:

    http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/lectures/herb-powers

  8. #38
    Member DennisBdrmDJ 2.0's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    1,918
    Quote Originally Posted by light-o-matic View Post
    Ok.. not to beat a dead horse..

    but this whole idea that what you do to a recording that's ripped from vinyl is "mastering"

    So yea, I'm not saying that any of you are not capable of taking a vinyl rip and possibly improving on certain aspects of the sound.. I'm sure it's possible and I'm sure it happens.

    Nothing personal guys.. we've been having these conversations a long time, I know you're not dummies. But less is more.
    And here I, was loving, and agreeing to all of your previous post...At one point I was even going to state,on how absolutely correct you were on carts,and phono pre-amps...For my sake,after properly ripping over 2,000 vinyl records,and Yes,properly "cleaning"(without changing the gain,eq,etc.) those recordings (using only this,when needed.http://www.antarestech.com/noiseredu...s/soundsoap-5/ ),I can say,that I know what I'm doing,and what works for me...Yet,somehow I was still learning something through this conversation.
    Last edited by DennisBdrmDJ 2.0; 05-20-2017 at 01:49 PM.

  9. #39
    Absolutely
    I'd recommend a Moving Coil cartridge albeit their low output . Moving Magnet I'd get one with a minimum of .5v output .
    Get the Purple Heart cartridge from Japan. or if budget conscious the Denon 103
    Consider replacing the RCA cords with Straightwire & if you really want to be Audiophile , replace the tonearm with an SME.
    Heavily Important ; Recommend the UA Apollo or an Apogee A to D converters.
    That would be a Massive setup. That would be the right setup indeed.

    to Pete-
    Yes, "Nilz"
    Fantastik Vinyl Mastering engineer . Many a records I have in my collection with his Mastering touch; Truly Remarkable.
    The "Bob Ludwig" of Mastering for Electronic Dance music Vinyl.
    I worked with the chief cutting engineer @ Masterdisk NYC for one of my tracks & was able to convince him to go +6db hot" on the lathe.
    he eventually agreed albeit blew out a couple of heads but agreed it sounded more palpable, punchier & louder.
    I used one of Nilz's records as a demonstration of how good a record can sound.
    He must've worked his ass off.
    Gone way too too Soon. A true lost to humanity.
    Last edited by Manu; 08-24-2017 at 03:45 AM. Reason: because merged

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
a