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    meh. gimme 135-140BPM with a heavy drum
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    name one dj that can replicate richie's drums in a minimal techno way, this coming from a plastikman background...then again i figure trance heads would respond this way they always seek the BUILD UP AND DROP THE BASS BRO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Porter View Post
    Been a fan a Trance music isn't like been part of an exclusive club. More people been attracted to a genre because its been " watered down " (developed) is only a good thing. For example Gareth Emery (sorry to cite the same artist twice) did a remix for Britney Spears a while back. It was hardly going to be a classic but it did a very good job of getting more people to the genre.

    As well I don't think producers are going far enough with the current line of experimentation, and it needs to be taken further to broaden access to Trance. Also while your roots are important their does come a time when people need to let go of it. The original Trance sound from the mid 90's bears very little resemblance to today sound, so what do you think Trance will sound like in 2022? If it exists at all.....

    Also would you care to define commercialised? Is it something bad? Because of I thought it was a word used by people who use it as a excuse not to like an artist they used to like, simply because they sold more records.

    As for you point about TATW AND ASOT, I think I am willing to trust Above & Beyond and Armin more than I trust fans who nit pick from their ivory tower about what's good for a genre.

    To get to people like Si Patterson you don't have to dig very far at all, his latest release clocks in at a speedy 130 BPM, and while alot of people are hating on his latest track, I say good on him. Yet more development in the style of someone's music. He also got into the BP top 10 with that release as well, which was fantastic for him and Night Vision.
    Maybe you picked me up wrong??? I said that I didnt have a problem with the new style of Trance & that Im a big Fan of A&B & Armin etc and I support what they are doing, the question from the OP was about the changing face of the genre, my point was that I feel its changing due to artists using commercialised tracks & in this instance yes I think that commercialism is a bad thing as its watering down & taking away the true sound of the genre, how is this supporting it??? I agree with you that its great that more people are following it but are they really following Trance music? I suppose thats all down to a matter of opinion????
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    In 12 months time my guess is that a majority of releases on a medium/major Trance labels will have a Dubstep/Electro house style element to it.


    This genre fusion with Progressive/Breaks/Dubstep began in 2004-2007 and its not taken hold yet. What makes you think it's going to take hold now? Because Skrillex won a few Grammy's - laughable at best? I've been going to shows and mixing at venues since the early 90's and no such massive movement has changed anything for the genres on a whole. Just Dubstep artists trying to make a Trance tune since its 140BPM or a Trance artist making Dubstep because its 140BPM. It's a simple double time or half tempo bastardization of genre lines. It still does not 100% cross the barrier of a major breakthrough though. More than anything it's just an annoying attempt to be somewhat different. Which is like a skydive belly-flop!!!!

    And on another level; mixing 2 genres means mixing 2 distinct genres, not hey this easy transition trance tune has a Dubstep breakdown in the middle. Look at me I'm soo cutting edge . Spare me that newbie approach ! Mix actual Dubstep with Trance and let's have this conversation over . You are not doing anything other than playing tunes instead of actually mixing new elements together as a DJ. What you are suggesting with this genre bending is a jukebox approach with odd musical arrangements within the track. Hardly new, and hardly ground breaking...

    All I have to say is this thread is.... STUPID!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohmega View Post


    This genre fusion with Progressive/Breaks/Dubstep began in 2004-2007 and its not taken hold yet. What makes you think it's going to take hold now? Because Skrillex won a few Grammy's - laughable at best? I've been going to shows and mixing at venues since the early 90's and no such massive movement has changed anything for the genres on a whole. Just Dubstep artists trying to make a Trance tune since its 140BPM or a Trance artist making Dubstep because its 140BPM. It's a simple double time or half tempo bastardization of genre lines. It still does not 100% cross the barrier of a major breakthrough though. More than anything it's just an annoying attempt to be somewhat different. Which is like a skydive belly-flop!!!!

    And on another level; mixing 2 genres means mixing 2 distinct genres, not hey this easy transition trance tune has a Dubstep breakdown in the middle. Look at me I'm soo cutting edge . Spare me that newbie approach ! Mix actual Dubstep with Trance and let's have this conversation over . You are not doing anything other than playing tunes instead of actually mixing new elements together as a DJ. What you are suggesting with this genre bending is a jukebox approach with odd musical arrangements within the track. Hardly new, and hardly ground breaking...

    All I have to say is this thread is.... STUPID!
    Im not trying to mix the two genre's? Where did you get that idea from? I am here to discuss the evolution of a genre of music via means taking sounds found commonly in other genres. Okay, they title of this thread is slightly misleading as it means to include more than just "Dubstep", but I am making a point, and one that is back up via many successful releases over the last few months.

    Also this has nothing to do with any Dubstep artist winning awards or anyone jumping on any band wagons. As I have explained already this is all simply the development of a genre, which must happen in order for it to survive. Afterall no one makes a living by producing the same music year in and out.

    You can ignore the clear changes taking place right in front of you or you can keep up with them. But at the end of the day, Haters are gonna hate. And all I know is that I will be enjoying the latest released in years to come and not getting all nostalgic about days gone by.

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    General opinions on the tracks aside, I think calling them dubstep is pretty tenuous/far fetched. A "dirty synth" with a bit of pitch bending and LFO does not = dubstep. Elements of electro house would be a better description really, I mean I'm barely hearing any half-step rhythms, dub-wise use of space, or whatever else defines dubstep.

    I see people talking about trance returning to form these days but I'm still waiting to hear it; generic 2004-style wishy-washy Armada melodic trance with some chainsaw synths thrown in for a bit of contrast isn't quite it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Porter View Post
    As I have explained already this is all simply the development of a genre, which must happen in order for it to survive. Afterall no one makes a living by producing the same music year in and out.
    I think the Rolling Stones did exactly that for over 40 years.

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    Electro-trance bullshit needs to die. It's promoting trance as something it's not. There is nothing left of the trance genre within this new electro trouse stuff. It's all just gritty saw bass, catchy hooks, and overused vocals. NONE of that is trance.

    There is a massive, MASSIVE difference between euphoria and a hook. Arty & Mat Zo's "Mozart" is a hook. There is no euphoria. No blending of different instruments and percussions to make one beautiful seemless break. It's just a catchy melody, like every other radio song. Man With No Name - Floor Essence (Apogee Remix) is euphoria at its finest. That is how trance was meant to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Porter View Post
    You can ignore the clear changes taking place right in front of you or you can keep up with them.
    Alright you're the boss... I'm done with this. We agree to disagree, but that's what makes DJ'ing so individual.

    Just for arguments sake maybe you could do a 30 minute mix and give us a sample of this Trance revolution!?! I'm kind of interested to hear your take on things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by disparate View Post
    I see people talking about trance returning to form these days but I'm still waiting to hear it; generic 2004-style wishy-washy Armada melodic trance with some chainsaw synths thrown in for a bit of contrast isn't quite it.










    And songs like these have been shooting up everywhere, ESPECIALLY end of 2011/beginning of 2012...

    The real trance is returning. Just you wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohmega View Post
    Alright you're the boss... I'm done with this. We agree to disagree, but that's what makes DJ'ing so individual.

    Just for arguments sake maybe you could do a 30 minute mix and give us a sample of this Trance revolution!?! I'm kind of interested to hear your take on things.
    Tbh, we're both right. What im talking about will probably end up been classed as something else in the end and the producers of it will move on to those scenes respectively. I dont count my self as a big fan of all the current stuff, but I do like it. My real loyalties are at 140bpm and stuff that really just oozes energy.

    I'd be up for it. But I am gonna wait till the Trance Tourney when I will get more chance to hammer the new stuff. If I get though enough rounds, then I will get a chance to try everything.

    If your interested in the mean time I want to get another trance battle going as soon as the current one is over. But make this one more interesting. Put a time limit on it and a minimum track count, see if things could be spiced up. Are you game for that as well Sedna?
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