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    Trance and Dubstep....

    Noticed alot of hating directed at what seems to the new style of Trance. I personnally love it, sounds great and keeps the genre strong and fresh well in the future. With alot of producers doing it now and it become more common place I am wondering what everyone else thought of this...?

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    easily one of the best tracks of 2011.



    BP Trance chart No 1 right now



    Former BP Trance chart No 1, and this made it to No 6 in the BP main charts....



    Also, here is a summary of why it is bad to hate genre devolopment.....



    So what do you all think?
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    Well I am not a fan of Trance having Dubstep elements in it and I'm fine with being narrow minded if that's how you want to look at it. All the tunes you posted sound like half ass versions of Trance and/or Dubstep. I guess the larger problem is getting people to respond to staple sound patterns that have defined genres for nearly 20 years. Granted a lot of the new DJ's dont know up from down in respects to the history of things, but to throw a forward aggressive musical style into a deep TRANCE music style is like trying to mix oil and water...just not going to happen! It might (and I stress might) be alright to throw a tune in to mix things up or move the energy in a different direction for a tune or two but to imply that Trance is evolving because it has a Dubstep element in it is just plain foolish!!!

    Any seasoned Trance DJ knows how to ramp energy without resorting to the ban wagon approach of "hey this is hard because it has a Dubstep wobble".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ohmega View Post
    Well I am not a fan of Trance having Dubstep elements in it and I'm fine with being narrow minded if that's how you want to look at it. All the tunes you posted sound like half ass versions of Trance and/or Dubstep. I guess the larger problem is getting people to respond to staple sound patterns that have defined genres for nearly 20 years. Granted a lot of the new DJ's dont know up from down in respects to the history of things, but to throw a forward aggressive musical style into a deep TRANCE music style is like trying to mix oil and water...just not going to happen! It might (and I stress might) be alright to throw a tune in to mix things up or move the energy in a different direction for a tune or two but to imply that Trance is evolving because it has a Dubstep element in it is just plain foolish!!!

    Any seasoned Trance DJ knows how to ramp energy without resorting to the ban wagon approach of "hey this is hard because it has a Dubstep wobble".
    I will go as far as admitting that back around 2004 when I finally accepted that the days of 1999/2000 where not coming back, it was a real breath of life to me. Now that the whole game is starting to changing again, things are really looking up. Widening access and broadening the sound of a genre is only a good thing.

    Also I wouldn't go as far to call the haters narrow minded, but its certainly short sighted. Not that I really care what other people listen to any way.

    In 12 months time my guess is that a majority of releases on a medium/major Trance labels will have a Dubstep/Electro house style element to it.
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    Its an added element, not a new genre. A lot of genres are adding the dubstep breakdown into the tracks. I think its ridiculous and incongruous to the track flow.

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    The LFO synched wobble is trite and overused

    It needs to stop

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    Yeah The Fusion is pretty terrible.

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    I can't really see how trance and dub step could go together...

    One is all about hands in the air euphoria, the other is generally about heads down darkness.

    Surely if you mixed the two together you'd end up with some weird schizophrenic sound that wouldn't really appeal to anyone, especially trance and dub step types?
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    I would be very surprised if it lasts tbh, there are a very small handful of Producers toying with it here and there and the tracks that they are producing are very average, to call Tomahawk the Trance tune of 2011 is just plain retarded, for a start its more of a Prog house track than it is Trance, it has Adam K's trade mark sound written all over it, he's a House Producer, and the Dub breakdown, well its just another generic Dub breakdown, = the Trance track of 2011??? I think not.

    As stated before Trance has been getting more and more watered down as the years pass, but there are still plenty of great producers out their breathing life into the genre. I enjoy listening to shows like Trance (House) Around the World etc even tho they are playing very pop/commercial sounding so called "Trance", its easy to listen too and every now and then they drop a great Trance track. I dont have a problem with the "new" breed of Trance/House thats being produced as it still holds elements of the genre that we used to hear and love so much, but its always important to remember and understand what the genre is about and where its roots lie, which are far from whats being classed as "Trance" these days & thats very important to know. The fact that TATW, ASOT etc are becoming more and more commercialised means that there are more and more newbies being attracted to this whole new "Trance" sound which is where I feel the problem lies. They are hearing all of these House/Trance tracks and believing this is what Trance is all about, when really anyone thats followed the genre for more than the last 5/6 years knows this is far from the truth. If they happened to dig a little deeper into the picture and find out about the not so mainstream artists out there like Patterson, Nick Callaghan, Van Dyk, etc they might get a taste of that proper oldskool Trance sound and tbh I reckon the majority of them wouldnt like it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisHynds View Post
    I would be very surprised if it lasts tbh, there are a very small handful of Producers toying with it here and there and the tracks that they are producing are very average, to call Tomahawk the Trance tune of 2011 is just plain retarded, for a start its more of a Prog house track than it is Trance, it has Adam K's trade mark sound written all over it, he's a House Producer, and the Dub breakdown, well its just another generic Dub breakdown, = the Trance track of 2011??? I think not.

    As stated before Trance has been getting more and more watered down as the years pass, but there are still plenty of great producers out their breathing life into the genre. I enjoy listening to shows like Trance (House) Around the World etc even tho they are playing very pop/commercial sounding so called "Trance", its easy to listen too and every now and then they drop a great Trance track. I dont have a problem with the "new" breed of Trance/House thats being produced as it still holds elements of the genre that we used to hear and love so much, but its always important to remember and understand what the genre is about and where its roots lie, which are far from whats being classed as "Trance" these days & thats very important to know. The fact that TATW, ASOT etc are becoming more and more commercialised means that there are more and more newbies being attracted to this whole new "Trance" sound which is where I feel the problem lies. They are hearing all of these House/Trance tracks and believing this is what Trance is all about, when really anyone thats followed the genre for more than the last 5/6 years knows this is far from the truth. If they happened to dig a little deeper into the picture and find out about the not so mainstream artists out there like Patterson, Nick Callaghan, Van Dyk, etc they might get a taste of that proper oldskool Trance sound and tbh I reckon the majority of them wouldnt like it.
    Been a fan a Trance music isn't like been part of an exclusive club. More people been attracted to a genre because its been " watered down " (developed) is only a good thing. For example Gareth Emery (sorry to cite the same artist twice) did a remix for Britney Spears a while back. It was hardly going to be a classic but it did a very good job of getting more people to the genre.

    As well I don't think producers are going far enough with the current line of experimentation, and it needs to be taken further to broaden access to Trance. Also while your roots are important their does come a time when people need to let go of it. The original Trance sound from the mid 90's bears very little resemblance to today sound, so what do you think Trance will sound like in 2022? If it exists at all.....

    Also would you care to define commercialised? Is it something bad? Because of I thought it was a word used by people who use it as a excuse not to like an artist they used to like, simply because they sold more records.

    As for you point about TATW AND ASOT, I think I am willing to trust Above & Beyond and Armin more than I trust fans who nit pick from their ivory tower about what's good for a genre.

    To get to people like Si Patterson you don't have to dig very far at all, his latest release clocks in at a speedy 130 BPM, and while alot of people are hating on his latest track, I say good on him. Yet more development in the style of someone's music. He also got into the BP top 10 with that release as well, which was fantastic for him and Night Vision.

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    I quite liked that 1st track, then it turned to shit 3 minutes in..

    I agree with alot of the points made, mixing trance and dubstep sounds like just trying to cash in on 2 genres at the same time, with horrendous results.

    I have no problem with producers taking trance music and wattering it down for the masses, but IMO, it stops being Trance and becomes generic "Dance Music". I wouldn't even say Trance is about hands in the air euphoria as such, proper Trance to me is quite driving, with super sweet melodies that just makes your legs start moving, with long builds and flows throughout the track. One thing I cant stand about comercial trance atm, is all the riffs seems to be 1 or 2 bars long, and then song seems to keep stopping and repeating all the time. Its awful. Trance melodies, and tunes should be above the driving bassline/beats, and continuing on past the bars throughout the journey of the song.

    Maybe what I'm trying to say is, in alot of comercial trance I see no connection betwen bars 1&2 and 3&4, its like half the stuff is just 2 bar loops dropped in with no thought about the overall flow and continuation of the track.

    But I digress...
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