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    Full Home Studio Setup for max. 1000€

    Hello fellow Producers,
    I want to buy my first real Equipment for a simple home Studio. What I Need (at least) is:

    An Audio Setup (Speakers&Sub, someone recommended me the brand Genelac for These, do I Need like an external soundcard or something?)

    A midi Keyboard (a simple one because I cant really Play it)
    and some VSTs/Sounds to use it with

    Probably a DAW-Controller (Im using Ableton)

    Do I Need something else? Atm I run an ASUS ROG Laptop and some HDJ 500 Headphones. I want to produce EDM with them.
    Anyone something to recommend? Price should be from 500-1000€ for all These things
    Furthermore I want to order them at Thomann if possible.
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    I started to write something that said basically that you need to lower your sights a bit, largely because Genelec monitors are the cream of the crop and have a price to match, but I just did some ebay searching and have come to the conclusion that if you're ok with used, some great deals can be had. Not sure if that translates to someone buying from Shanghai. If you're buying new from Thomman, the least expensive Genelec subwoofer is over 700 euros and the smallest (3") and cheapest monitors will run over 500 euros for a pair. That blows your budget completely. And depending on your needs, that might not be loud enough -- not really sure. One would have to check the specs. Also, when buying tops and a sub that aren't designed to work together as a package, you need to check and make sure you don't have a gap in the frequency response between the two. 3" tops might not have enough low range to get down to the right crossover point.

    That brings up a point. It is possible for active tops to have a low pass output for your sub, but if they don't you need a crossover too.

    So you probably need to set your sights lower and/or raise your budget considerably.

    Even with budget equipment, I'm thinking 1000 euros is pretty low.

    Yes, you will need a soundcard, unless the controller has one built in, but I don't think the kind of controller you'll be looking at will have it. For a home studio like the one you're describing, I would be looking at a Saffire audio interface to fill the DAC function.

    There are a few Ableton controllers, and I don't know much about them, but APC makes I think, the most popular ones, like the MPC line.

    You say you're using ABleton. You already have that? If not, you'll need to factor that in too.

    The keyboards, I also don't know well, but I know it is recommended you actually feel how the keys respond so buying blind might not be the best idea. You can eliminate the crappy ones by figuring out a model you think meets your needs and asking here if there are problems with it, or what limitations it might have. Sometimes, people have problems with midi mappings on DJ controllers. Not sure if that's an issue with keyboards and Ableton controllers.
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    Thank you for your fast answer. Id prefer new Equipment over used. Is it even Viable to get an extra subwoofer in my Price class? My Maximum is then 1400€ if ist worth the Money. How about These? Are they even for Studio use?
    http://www.thomann.de/gb/syrincs_m3_220.htm
    To your question, I already have Ableton with a bunch of plugins

    For the Audio Interface you mentioned the Saffire, which of These two would you recommend? Is there a viable difference?
    http://www.thomann.de/gb/focusrite_saffire_6_usb.htm
    http://www.thomann.de/de/focusrite_saffire_pro_14.htm

    I already have the Native Instruments Traktor Scratch Audio A6 (http://www.thomann.de/gb/native_inst...scratch_a6.htm) but I dont think I can use it as Audio Interface, can I?

    As Keyboard I now selected this due to its Price and its ableton Integration: http://www.thomann.de/gb/alesis_v25.htm
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    Speakers. Dynaudio or Adam. Genelec are probably going to be too expensive. If your looking for cheaper go Yamaha HS. The cheaper KRK's are known to be too boomy. Port noise will be a pain but unavoidable unless you can save up for Barefoots. If you have a small room, go for smaller speakers, bigger speakers will be too much for your room and you'll get too much build up.

    Headphones: AKG K702, Beyer Dynamics DT880, Sennheiser HD650 or 600, Audio Technica ATH M50 (the cheap option). Investing is some pricey headphones now will be 1 of the best investments. You'll really get to know them over time, you'll probably have restrictions to when you can use your main speakers.

    Pretty much any mid priced audio interface will get you the same results. Check the features to make sure your not just paying more for something you don't need.

    Get to a local DIY store and buy some Rigid Fibber Glass Cavity Insulation Slabs, double them up, rap some material round them and stick them in the corners of your room. Make a wood frame round the last 2 before adding the material. Hang 1 either side on the walls at the first reflection point, job done!

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    You should still be able to select that audio interface you have for the sound in your DAW. First problem you will have is, wrong connections. it's outputs arn't balanced and I doubt (even though it is NI) it's circuitry will be as good as say the Fucusrite Saffires, Presonus, Motu, RME etc. You'd really need to be looking more at the Komplete Audio 6 if you wanted to stay NI. That been said, a lil adaptor and the device should do you for now, leaving more to spend on better monitors. If you decide to get hardware later on, you'll want more ins and outs anyways.

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    As Keyboard I now selected this due to its Price and its ableton Integration: http://www.thomann.de/gb/alesis_v25.htm
    25 keys is too small in my opinion. I personally wouldn't go any smaller than 49 keys.
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    [QUOTE=mitchiemasha;453158] The cheaper KRK's are known to be too boomy. [QUOTE] Are they ok if I go with a Sub additional? The Rating is quite good on them (KRK RP6 RoKit G3) For the Sub my Budget is quite limited but I actually dont want to miss it unless you say 2 Speakers for 700 is better than 2 Speakers + Sub for that Price? Should I get the Sub or the more expensive Monitors?

    Sub: http://www.thomann.de/de/swissonic_sub10.htm

    For insulation I thought of a couple of These: http://www.thomann.de/de/the_takustik_hilon40.htm as well as These for the Speakers: http://www.thomann.de/de/the_takustik_isopad_6.htm Can I go with them or are there any better alternatives?

    If I get all These with the Keyboard it would be around 850€ which is ok for me.

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    No to the acoustic and no to the sub.

    Those acoustic panels will do little to the mid and low frequencies. These are the frequencies that will give you the most problems. That's why i said double up the Fiberglass and stick them in the corners. Bass builds up in the corners and 2 layers of it will be nice and thick, still not enough but better than nothing. The stuff you linked is no more than 4cm at it's thickest point. The Fiberglass panel will give you 20cm if doubled up and it's denser to start with. The linked product is practically packaging foam, not acoustic panels. I have 'acoustic' foam and Fiberglass. Under my own tests, the foam performs just a lil bit better than a duvet. The other problem of using packaging foam is, as it will be reducing the higher frequencies, the lower frequencies that are the bigger problem will now be an even bigger problem.

    Unless you know how to correctly time aline the sub to your mid tops, I'd avoid buying 1 for now. Spend more on better mid tops, get a sub later. A miss aligned sub will give you more problems than not having 1. Especially a ported sub. Adding it doesn't eliminate the problems you get from using a port to extend the sub frequencies on a standard mid top monitor, PORT NOISE! and the port, increasing the lower frequency response range, is out of time to the actual driver.

    To simplify it for you, ports in speaker design are a cheat way of getting louder lower frequencies.

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    Ok so I wont get a Sub then and get the better Monitors instead of it. If I dont run a Sub, is it still worth to do the fiberglass Panel solution? Because fiberglass is really expensive and you see, sadly my Budget is limited.
    So now I have a Budget up to 300€ for one Monitor which means some of These (or do you guys know any better ones?)

    Adam F7 (300€) http://www.thomann.de/de/adam_f7.htm
    KRK RP8 RoKit G3 (249€) http://www.thomann.de/de/krk_rp8_rokit_g3.htm
    Yamaha HS 8 W (279€) http://www.thomann.de/de/yamaha_hs_8_w.htm

    I actually like the KRK one because he has the lowest frequencys (35Hz)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukavicious View Post
    Ok so I wont get a Sub then and get the better Monitors instead of it. If I dont run a Sub, is it still worth to do the fiberglass Panel solution? Because fiberglass is really expensive and you see, sadly my Budget is limited.
    So now I have a Budget up to 300€ for one Monitor which means some of These (or do you guys know any better ones?)

    Adam F7 (300€) http://www.thomann.de/de/adam_f7.htm
    KRK RP8 RoKit G3 (249€) http://www.thomann.de/de/krk_rp8_rokit_g3.htm
    Yamaha HS 8 W (279€) http://www.thomann.de/de/yamaha_hs_8_w.htm

    I actually like the KRK one because he has the lowest frequencys (35Hz)
    I am just repeating what I've heard here many times before, but the KRK has a reputation as having not as flat of a response as many monitors in its price range and thus not the best option for production. If you were using them to just practice DJ sets, that would be different.

    I can't tell you about the others except to say they aren't garbage.
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