Advice Please?

[Adzm00]

I would be more likely to listen to what Oli says in respects of the underground scene in Mel.

[dlove]

^^ no doubt.

And the NY thing looks brilliant, so there must be some heads there making moves.

[AdrianR]

Dlove I agree with you 100%. Which is why I say that I wouldn't mind playing at any of the more popular events even if it's top 40. The thing is, I'm not trying to make things better.
And don't worry I'm not offended. You give criticism with a style and grace that is most appreciated by people like me. I wish more people would say it the way you do rather than being all like "YOUR OPINION IS UNVALID BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT ME!" about it.
But everything is seen as slagging something or someone off now days as in, it's as if you literally can not have an opinion that is different to what others. You can't not hold a conversation with out the expression of your views being viewed as a direct insult to someone anymore and I get how, people get offended and say I'm whinging and shit, but it's discussion. It's relevant. It's better to discuss things, share views and learn from one another than to be silent and stay in a rutt.

Adzmoo: Mate, Underground Vs Overground in Melbourne is the most ridiculous arguement of the decade. But, it's relevance for me is that, I don't partake in "the underground" anymore, because I don't like the mentality of people bagging anyone who dresses different or listens to different music etc. Same can be said for the commercial scene. A lot of people feel the same. The people who sit hardest on either side of those fences are the reason going out is so socially traumatic. It's either Ice Pipes and emos or Eccies and Muzz Techs. How much morality can you sacrifice to fit into a scene? When all you want is for people to put aside their social prejudices and come together, then both sides are going to come down on you and label you as a synical dick hole when actually, your outlook is more positive than they will ever realise because they can't see there's so much more available than JUST that small slice that they know. When I was in the rave scene and that was the ONLY scene I was involved in, gigs were easy. Not because there was heaps but because it was a small scene and believe it or not, back then, the shit I say now (same preachy message, whinging bullshit), people RESPECTED it! They loved it and it was actually getting me MORE gigs because they thought I was kinda "keeping it real" and keeping shit positive. But, I liked the music. I didn't like the drugs. I didn't like dressing silly. So, for a scene that is supposed to accept everyone (Which it did initially. When I started to get involved at 15 it genuinely was all about that and I love and respect my mentors at that time for teaching me about that and instilling it in me.),later I was being told I had to do things (as a Dj) like "Dress the part" and things like that, well, suddenly it's going from having a social movement to a business enterprise. Which is fine, so long as that business understands the basis it was built on, which more and more, it drifted from and, so did I. I followed 'the teachings of the eldars'. And yes, times change, but a message that isn't broken shouldn't need to be fixed or edited. So, why is the message of "All Welcome" suddenly being edited to "All welcome, provided you dress like us. Talk like us. Live like us." etc. To me, underground, overground.. It doesn't count. It's immature because the reality is music is about sounding good and being enjoyed. Not about where or who or why you go. Yeah people go to be on Facebook, who cares? The people at home shouldn't. Yes it's a shame. But, give me one night with them and I'll have them forgetting about their photos. I will make them dance like NOBODY is watching. Which is what EVERYONE needs. Everyone DESERVES. Everyone should know that feeling. But people have to open themselves up to it. That's why it kills me so much and I take it so personally. Because underneath it all is a message of love that I think the world more than ever needs to hear now. When you are CONSTANTLY having that silenced by, bullshit like "permits" and by bullshit like "Oh we don't go because everyones a wanker now", it's frustrating! And NO ONE should have to consider fucking, ridiculous bullshit like that when they are throwing a PARTY!!! OF ALL THINGS!! Parties, gigs, nights what ever you want to call them. They're CELEBRATIONS! not choires!


Anyways I'm sorry about that. I get really angry when people talk about "melbourne underground" because, yeah.. But as I've said. I'm talking to some fantastic venues. And also some fantastic Dj's. (Yeah damn fucking straight I find the best Melbourne has to offer and the rest can fuck off!) But I need advice on how to handle it from a promotional perspective. And I don't mean from the "Maybe stop being a dick on forums" stand point, I mean from the, how do I capture these peoples attentions with the restrictions I have? How do I make them enter a dangerous zone (as in, a venue they've never gone to or something new to them)?

[Manu]

Holy wall of text batman

**insert Manu with his wall of text jpeg**

Glad to help sir.

[AdrianR]

LOL! Thanks for making me feel bad for doing it again!

[Adzm00]

Adzmoo:[/B] Mate, Underground Vs Overground in Melbourne is the most ridiculous arguement of the decade. But, it's relevance for me is that, I don't partake in "the underground" anymore, because I don't like the mentality of people bagging anyone who dresses different or listens to different music etc. Same can be said for the commercial scene. A lot of people feel the same. The people who sit hardest on either side of those fences are the reason going out is so socially traumatic. It's either Ice Pipes and emos or Eccies and Muzz Techs. How much morality can you sacrifice to fit into a scene? When all you want is for people to put aside their social prejudices and come together, then both sides are going to come down on you and label you as a synical dick hole when actually, your outlook is more positive than they will ever realise because they can't see there's so much more available than JUST that small slice that they know. When I was in the rave scene and that was the ONLY scene I was involved in, gigs were easy. Not because there was heaps but because it was a small scene and believe it or not, back then, the shit I say now (same preachy message, whinging bullshit), people RESPECTED it! They loved it and it was actually getting me MORE gigs because they thought I was kinda "keeping it real" and keeping shit positive. But, I liked the music. I didn't like the drugs. I didn't like dressing silly. So, for a scene that is supposed to accept everyone (Which it did initially. When I started to get involved at 15 it genuinely was all about that and I love and respect my mentors at that time for teaching me about that and instilling it in me.),later I was being told I had to do things (as a Dj) like "Dress the part" and things like that, well, suddenly it's going from having a social movement to a business enterprise. Which is fine, so long as that business understands the basis it was built on, which more and more, it drifted from and, so did I. I followed 'the teachings of the eldars'. And yes, times change, but a message that isn't broken shouldn't need to be fixed or edited. So, why is the message of "All Welcome" suddenly being edited to "All welcome, provided you dress like us. Talk like us. Live like us." etc. To me, underground, overground.. It doesn't count. It's immature because the reality is music is about sounding good and being enjoyed. Not about where or who or why you go. Yeah people go to be on Facebook, who cares? The people at home shouldn't. Yes it's a shame. But, give me one night with them and I'll have them forgetting about their photos. I will make them dance like NOBODY is watching. Which is what EVERYONE needs. Everyone DESERVES. Everyone should know that feeling. But people have to open themselves up to it. That's why it kills me so much and I take it so personally. Because underneath it all is a message of love that I think the world more than ever needs to hear now. When you are CONSTANTLY having that silenced by, bullshit like "permits" and by bullshit like "Oh we don't go because everyones a wanker now", it's frustrating! And NO ONE should have to consider fucking, ridiculous bullshit like that when they are throwing a PARTY!!! OF ALL THINGS!! Parties, gigs, nights what ever you want to call them. They're CELEBRATIONS! not choires!


Anyways I'm sorry about that. I get really angry when people talk about "melbourne underground" because, yeah.. But as I've said. I'm talking to some fantastic venues. And also some fantastic Dj's. (Yeah damn fucking straight I find the best Melbourne has to offer and the rest can fuck off!) But I need advice on how to handle it from a promotional perspective. And I don't mean from the "Maybe stop being a dick on forums" stand point, I mean from the, how do I capture these peoples attentions with the restrictions I have? How do I make them enter a dangerous zone (as in, a venue they've never gone to or something new to them)?

Just a couple of points I will make, underground is not about judging others based on dress or who they hang out with etc. that is purely a commercial/twat clubbers aspect. As long as you are there for the music and to have a good time, no one cares, its not about being seen with this person or that, or wearing this label or that, that is NOT UNDERGROUND.


It sort of amuses me you keep going on about permits, as if no where else in the world has to content with this kind of thing. Permits, rules, regulations and laws are enforced the world over, some more strict than others, but its not impossible to secure these, it may just mean a little bit more work to do.

Cynical is spelt with a C not an S.

And lastly, I am pretty sure I could be the ghostwriter for your autobiography after reading all this!

[Ignotus]

your from aussie... come on man, go buy some drinks at locals EDM bars and bring your knee pads (metaphorically ofc)

[oliosky]

your from aussie... come on man, go buy some drinks at locals EDM bars and bring your knee pads (metaphorically ofc)

you're.

And while I'm feeling particularly semantic, generally the term "aussie" isn't usually a reference to a location, more a nationality. I don't say "I'm going to Pom" if I'm going to England, or "I've planned a holiday to Yank" if I'm going to the USA, or "I'm heading to cheese eating surrender monkey" if I'm off to catch the tour de france this year. Know what I'm sayin dog?

[Ignotus]

you're.

And while I'm feeling particularly semantic, generally the term "aussie" isn't usually a reference to a location, more a nationality. I don't say "I'm going to Pom" if I'm going to England, or "I've planned a holiday to Yank" if I'm going to the USA, or "I'm heading to cheese eating surrender monkey" if I'm off to catch the tour de france this year. Know what I'm sayin dog?

Thanks for your oh so important input on the OP.

[oliosky]

Any time mate