Criticism Vs. Hating - something that is contributing to messing up the DJ scene

**dlove** · 08-29-2012, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by mrkleen

What someone is currently doing has fuck all to do with their ability to critique you and your skills. You think you are doing something that hasnt been done before - thousands of times?

good call-out, mrkleen

I didn't know where to start on pulling that post up.

**The Blackest** · 08-29-2012, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by mrkleen

What someone is currently doing has fuck all to do with their ability to critique you and your skills. You think you are doing something that hasnt been done before - thousands of times?

Hater!

**Drewbdo** · 08-31-2012, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Sigma

I 100% agree, but the real difference between criticism and hating is the motivation behind giving the feedback.

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The thin line is in your motivation for responding. For example: -

Hating - You may not even listen to the mix, or you may just listen to a tiny bit of it. You may comment based on the person's equipment. You may comment because you don't like the person based on other posts on here. You may comment because you argue with them a lot. You may listen to the mix and think it's OK, but say it's shit anyway for one or more of the reasons I've just given. I don't think this does either party any good. The criticism is dishonest, which is what makes it hating. Other people see you doing it and it undermines your opinion overall, even if you do potentially have a lot to offer.

Negative, non-constructive criticism - At least here, you're being honest for the right reasons, but you're not giving the DJ much to work with.

Negative, constructive criticism - Even though you might beat the person's mix down, you give them a few pointers in what you think they need to do to improve...

^^What a true leader strives for.

Originally Posted by DJ Highline

Criticism = Telling someone something negative and then telling them how to correct that negative for the next time and possibly encouraging them to continue.

Hating = Telling someone something negative and nothing else or even worse trying to make them feel bad for having that negative and discouraging them to continue.

^^ This is also a great definition of the difference.

It's not just what you say, it's also HOW you say it.

Criticism = Honey, you are beautiful to me and I will always love you. If you want to wear that dress, I'm still proud to be with you, but I don't think that dress really accentuates your sexy figure as well as this other dress.

Hating = Nah girl... that dress don't make you look fat... your enormous fat rolls do. Don't try to blame that on the dress. Your lard-butt ain't the dress's fault.

One is motivated by caring concern, one is motivated by vitriol and nastiness. We each choose which kind of person we are going to be.

That said, if you ask for criticism, expect the haters to show up, because most of them don't know the difference between the two. So, the person asking for criticism also needs to grow a thick skin. If you ask for criticism, strap on your boots, because the haters are gonna show up and crap on your boots, just because that's who haters are.

**AdrianR** · 09-01-2012, 04:34 AM

Originally Posted by mrkleen

What someone is currently doing has fuck all to do with their ability to critique you and your skills. You think you are doing something that hasnt been done before - thousands of times?

Same with how far people have gotten in their careers. If they never or rarely played out, then sure - maybe they are not qualified to speak about reading a crowd or programming a night of music. But being a "well known" DJ and "having a clue in the DJ booth" are two totally separate things. The best local DJs I have heard are far better than 99% of the jocks on the DJ Top 100 list.

You're right. It's all been done before and yes, there's A LOT of locals who are FAR better than the worlds top 10. But, there are Made Djs and BORN Dj's. Made Djs will hate Born Djs. Born Dj's will never understand why, but will keep pushing through the punishment whilst the made Dj's go on to become fucking, Graphic Designers or some shit.

When the world has forgotten about the MADE Djs, the born Djs, even if they never had a gig in their life, their music will find a way to live on. Be it, in someones car, on someones Ipod, on someones computer etc, it will leak through somewhere because people, generally, understand GOOD music. They want to LISTEN to it and be MOVED by it. They don't want to analyse it. They don't want to think about it. That's a MADE Dj scene. Thats why they all hate eachother but act like bum chums. They're fucking fake.

I'd like to hope one day someone will see me as a Born Dj. But for the momment I'm happy with my accomplishments and when I ask for critique, it's not to know if I have fucked up, because I KNOW I have, but any real situation calls for inperfection. I ask for criticism because I need to know my music still makes peoples underpants tingle a bit. So long as 1 person likes what I play and make, I'll keep playing. And even if they don't, then I'll do it for my personal pleasure to play what I like, how I like.

There's no need for older generations to be such haters. They're just jealous that they're out of the loop.

**The Blackest** · 09-01-2012, 05:41 AM

Born dj? What you were born to be a glorified jukebox? Help me understand this.

**Era 7** · 09-01-2012, 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by The Blackest

Born dj? What you were born to be a glorified jukebox? Help me understand this.

i also

a little. born djs? come on...

**mrkleen** · 09-01-2012, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by AdrianR

There's no need for older generations to be such haters. They're just jealous that they're out of the loop.

Sounds to me like you are a cry baby who asked for a pat on the back, and instead got some harsh criticism....which you clearly cant take.

The club / rave scene in the 80s and 90s was miles better than what is going on now. WMC was still about the music. Ibiza was still a great place to hear quality sets for short money. NYC had clubs like Limelight, Twilo, ARC, Sound Factory, Paladium. And every major city in the world was experiencing the peak of rave culture.

But yeah, guys who got to spin during that time are clearly jealous of the sad sack state of affairs you get to work in every weekend now.

**The Blackest** · 09-01-2012, 11:51 AM

You know I'm still trippin on the Born DJs bit.

Easy on the apple drink fella.

**spirez** · 09-01-2012, 05:11 PM

It's all about the shit sandwich

Positive comment
Negative comment
Positive comment

There were some good bits in that mix
The EQ and levels were off though, definitely something to work on
But keep it up and you'll nail it in no time!

**Maikky** · 09-01-2012, 06:23 PM

I find it annoying when "Big" Artist form a sentence or post some "Wise Quote" on twitter/facebook that basically means "Stop Hating"

People have different taste, they have the right to hate if they think your music is garbage .

Just because they're feelings are getting hurt doesn't give them the right to tell people what they should/shouldn't like .

People who say "Stop Being a Hater" are generally morons .

These people can't get it through their head that some people don't agree with them .

Ain't nothing wrong with being a hater .