OS X Mountain Lion Upgrade

[DJAkash]

Excuse my caps but, DO NOT UPGRADE if you are using SERATO ITCH, it will very likely make you have a unstable if you even are in the 1% that even get it to run at all. quote " We currently do not support OS X Mountain Lion" from http://serato.com/itch/numark-ns6 and all other itch controller pages.

[DeeJayCeee]

Upgraded last week. Live 8 is working totally fine, as is my oxygen midi keyboard drivers.
Traktor running perfectly and audio drivers for my audio 4 are unaffected.

Rekordbox is obviously having issues (as per Pioneers email) but they are working on an update.

[DennisBdrmDJ 2.0]

upgraded to Mountain Lion, two days ago.upgraded to SL 2.4.2 yesterday...not good!..can't open the SL2 control panel.the gains are clipping.the gain master button won't move.lowering the gains, on the computers system preference(sound) isn't helping any....luckily for me,I just finished reading,on the Serato website,that "We currently do not support OS X Mountain Lion". F*ck me.

[MouseAT]

upgraded to Mountain Lion, two days ago.upgraded to SL 2.4.2 yesterday...not good!..can't open the SL2 control panel.the gains are clipping.the gain master button won't move.lowering the gains, on the computers system preference(sound) isn't helping any....luckily for me,I just finished reading,on the Serato website,that "We currently do not support OS X Mountain Lion". F*ck me.

You see, this is why you don't jump the gun on upgrading your OS when you have DJ software. OS upgrades have a nasty habit of breaking it in unexpected ways.

Serato NEVER support a new OS straight out of the box. They didn't support Lion or Windows 7 until a version or two after release. If you depend on your software to work for you, don't upgrade your OS until the software manufacturer has confirmed that everything works and/or releases the patch to fix the problems... because there WILL be problems. They may be major or they may be minor, but they will inevitably be there.

The sooner people learn this lesson, the better.

[akswun]

I dunno my shit worked fine and used it for a gig and zero drop outs. But again I'm using an SL1 and updated both to ML and SL2.4. I believe it has something to do with the newer i series of processors. Which I'm not running. C2D FTW.

[DennisBdrmDJ 2.0]

You see, this is why you don't jump the gun on upgrading your OS when you have DJ software. OS upgrades have a nasty habit of breaking it in unexpected ways.

Serato NEVER support a new OS straight out of the box. They didn't support Lion or Windows 7 until a version or two after release. If you depend on your software to work for you, don't upgrade your OS until the software manufacturer has confirmed that everything works and/or releases the patch to fix the problems... because there WILL be problems. They may be major or they may be minor, but they will inevitably be there.

The sooner people learn this lesson, the better.

Hey,thanks...I know, how I f*cked up.I'm hoping for help,or more info....Not,."I told you,so".

[MouseAT]

Hey,thanks...I know, how I f*cked up.I'm hoping for help,or more info....Not,."I told you,so".

Sorry, that wasn't intended as a direct jab at you, more a general message to the uninitiated who rely on computers for DJing and haven't learned this important lesson yet.

I work in the IT field supporting both PCs and Macs. Whenever there is an OS upgrade (either on Windows or Mac OS X), stuff breaks. Sometimes even a Windows service pack or OS X point release can change something down in the guts of the operating system and cause stuff that previously worked perfectly to suddenly stop working. Most of the time it's just weird edge cases that break - some of the crazy network management stuff at work for example - in other cases, the effects of an OS update can be far more significant.

DJ software is complex. It requires a mixture of low latency hardware and software, which has to process audio in real time - something computers are not really designed to do. It doesn't take much to mess up something like Traktor or Serato Scratch Live. Serato are always very clear that new operating systems are unsupported for a while after release until Serato can test everything, fix bugs and get a patch out. I don't know what Native Instruments' stance is (other than the known issues with their audio hardware) because I'm only just switching over to Traktor and haven't been paying much attention to their support articles.

Problems like this are normal when a new operating system comes out. Expect them. Plan for them. If you rely on your software to keep working, don't be negligent. Do your research first. Find out what does and doesn't work. Have a back out plan. Don't just upgrade and hope for the best.

I apologise if this comes across as blunt. I just know there are a lot of DJs who aren't experienced computer users. That goes even more so for the people who buy Macs because they "just work". (Don't take that as an attack on Mac users - I use two Macs myself at home as day-to-day machines and for DJing, and support over 100 of them at work. I just know their limitations, which many other people have yet to find out). Inexperienced users see the "new shiny" upgrade, and think "I want that, and it's cheap - I'll buy it", not realising the problems it can create.

We need to get this message out to the less experienced users - when a new operating system comes out, DO NOT UPGRADE to it straight away. Shout it from the roof tops. Make sure people know this. Let's reduce the numbers of people who don't know any better.

As for how to fix your problems? Downgrade back to Lion if you can, or wait for the patches from Serato. There's not a lot else you can do if Apple have changed something that Serato Scratch Live depends upon.

[DennisBdrmDJ 2.0]

^your point was well taken,.. all is forgiven. now,tell a brother,how to roll-back to 10.7.

[MouseAT]

Take a look at http://www.rbierens.com/?p=5 - I've not attempted this, but going by what I know so far about OS X, I've no reason to think the information provided isn't accurate.

[M!TCH]

Eh, I always have everything backed up and it doesn't take much time to get back up and running. Thank God for SSD & HDD combo in the MBP. Mountain Lion has really only F***ed up Safari so far. Still running Ableton 8 no problem. The real test is going to see how Reason wants to play with it later this evening