Thank you very much for the detailed comparison. I appreciate it!
Al
Thank you very much for the detailed comparison. I appreciate it!
Al
KV2 KX12s - RCF Art 310As (X4) - Yamaha DXR8s - Yorkville NX55Ps - Yorkville LS720P - Wharfedale Titan 12A - Yamaha MG12/4 X 2 (older and newer version) - Peavey PV10 - Shure cordless - Stanton CD player - Sony Minidisc decks - LED lights - AMDJ dual SD player
The LS801p has around a 3db advantage over a single KW or XLF, yet both the KW as well as the XLF go deeper then the LS801P & a pair of either will gain a 6db increase thus turning the SPL table in the favour of either the KW or the XLF. The LS801P doesn't sound as good as either the KW or the XLF, it weighs around 50 pounds more then the KW & around 56 pounds more then the XLF & is also larger in physical size then either the KW or the XLF (keep in mind your a MOBILE DJ). The average price of the LS801P is about $1,450 each while the KW could be had for $1,399 each while the XLF could be had for $1,099 each so from that stand point the LS801P is a cheaper option but the price is something you only have to deal with once while all the other advantages will continue to shine long after the sticker shock has faded away.
Size
KW,XLF < LS801P
Weight
KW,XLF < LS801P
Deeper Bass
KW,XLF > LS801P
Sound Quality
KW,XLF > LS801P
SPL (1 on 1)
KW,XLF < LS801P
SPL (2 on 1)
KW,XLF > LS801P
Price (1 on 1)
KW,XLF < LS801P
Price (2 on 1)
KW,XLF > LS801P
(keep in mind there are other options outside of the KW & XLF as well tha perform well)
Really once you fully analyse everything the only plus in favour of the LS801P is 3db which can be gained & beaten by doubling up on the smaller cabinets, so the one thing it has going for it can be achieved with the other cabinets yet the LS801P still is an over sized, over weight box that can only brag about 3db but still doesn't sound as good as the other options. There will be more gigs that you will not require the full potential of the LS801P yet you will still be stuck carrying the full size & weight of it & still not have as good a sound quality as the other options. With the other options you can scale your system to your requirements & have no worries if you get stuck at the end of a gig by yourself or having to deal with stairs.
I keep saying it, there's more to a speaker then SPL alone.
Last edited by Incognito; 07-17-2012 at 11:41 PM.
If I had to play only for people who liked the music because they heard it on the radio, it wouldn't make me happy. -- David Guetta
There are but you have to step out of the entry levelOriginally Posted by Al Poulin
If I had to play only for people who liked the music because they heard it on the radio, it wouldn't make me happy. -- David Guetta
Go with the LS801P and call it a day. As far as output is concerned, they will best everything mentioned by a long shot. They can sound good with an EQ cut at 80hz to take out the boom. I have used many different subs over the years...some low end and some professional level....and the LS801P is one of my favorites for the money. No, it's not considered a professional level sub, but for their price it comes very near giving professional level performance. It sounds good and performs very well. It's size is larger than some subs listed here (helps explain the performance diff), but I find them fairly easy to move around....just tilt back and roll. The only thing I would suggest is a separate DSP unit so you can dial in the crossover points and add some PEQ for both tops and subs.
+1
I agree because I used to rent them and it is very easy to dial out the boominess to a nice tight punchy sound. They are not top Prosound subs, but they are not "entry level" either. As for the power rating of the LS801P here are the specs:
http://www.yorkville.com/products.as...9&cat=2&id=382
All the ratings changed in January when the new production began using the same woofer as the LS1208. Al Poulin documented this on several websites.
Program Power (Watts) 1500 Watts (2500 Watts Peak)
Max SPL (dB) 140dB Peak (134dB Continuous)
The LS808 passive and the LS801P are 105 db1w1m
I cannot agree with the data posted above in post #13 and #22 regarding the ouput vs a JBL PRX-618XLF or KW181.....they are much more than 3db more efficient. I read a posting on Prosoundweb years ago when Douglas Allen smarted one and measured 133-134db 1w1m and that was with the old woofer in an LS800P. There was even a chart posted.
Last edited by Subzeero; 07-18-2012 at 11:48 AM.
Yep!!
OK, let's roll with your figures. Even at your figures it still comes out at 132.8db max before power compression or other factors anywhere from 126db to 129db there after. Again, SPL can be gain in other ways, the EQ still doesn't fix the phase issue the design presents, it still doesn't make it any smaller or easier to carry up steps......
Last edited by Incognito; 07-18-2012 at 03:27 PM.
If I had to play only for people who liked the music because they heard it on the radio, it wouldn't make me happy. -- David Guetta
Who said anything about carrying them up steps? I only ever rented them for use in main floor venues,or those that had elevators.
Dual VC B&C woofers do not suffer compression losses like single VC woofers. Which phase isuues are you referring to? Those due to path lengths?Please fell free to post the data that supports your calculations. i am curious to see how such data is derived.
Theoretical calculations do not equate to measurements. I will be back in town tomorrow and post measurements from my data base.
I have to agree with him... I have the ZXa5, and used the k12. ZXa5 are a beast but that no mixer section does suck at times. I have the 90 degree version but I want to add 4 60 degree for when I need to use 4 speakers. I've used 4 of the 90 before for a dance crowd of 700 (building holds around 1100) and they did pretty good. Granted the building was a warehouse style so it echoed like crazy anyway smh.
But to the OP, just curious, what do you transport your equipment in? I used to worry about the size of equipment too but now that I have everything on wheels and I have a cargo van with a ramp I could really care less. Just wondering if you had a trailer or van by chance?
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I wasn't referring to you in particular on carrying up steps but in general there usually comes those gigs where step are involved & you just wish you didn't have to worry about oversized subs (especially if the gig doesn't require the full potential of the sub in question). Any speaker will suffer power compression, the question is how much (thus why I left a wide margin for error). The phase issue comes up from another discussion on this forum concerning this very sub, I had made mention that it wasn't a true horn due to how short the horn path was but was told it was indeed a horn loaded sub (because the marketing sheet said so). So rather then fight it I decided to go along with that theory & if that theory is to be taken as fact then the obvious stands before you as to where the phase issue would come to be.
Post up the spec of the driver in question you refer to because Yorkville only post the vague spec for one driver of that sub but they fail to go into T/S parameters, etc. they also fail to show any charts to back up the rest of their spec so the little they give is all you can go on but luckily enough it's enough to calculate out rough figures that will only yield best case scenario without the real world db rubbing effects taken into account.
Last edited by Incognito; 07-19-2012 at 12:33 AM.
If I had to play only for people who liked the music because they heard it on the radio, it wouldn't make me happy. -- David Guetta
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