First Annual Producer Battle: RULES AND ROLL CALL! ;D

[Hygro]

Ladies, gentlemen, and Daft Punk robot producers. After aggregating the very different opinions, I present a fair option that puts us all in the same format while allowing maximum flexibility of style.

The competition starts Saturday, May 26. It Ends Saturday's midnight (aka Sunday) on your local time, on June 16.

The rules:
This Saturday we will get the acappella. It might be short, might be long, but it must be recognizably present in the track even if it's barely used.
**Any genre**, but must fit a pop format. With some customization, that's intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-specialmoment-doublechorus-outtro. About 3:20 long. Pop formats have 16 bar phrases, though as dance music uses 32 bar phrases, you obviously have flexibility to give it a 32 bar feel. Additionally, there are dance tracks that use pop formats (daft punk did almost exclusively in Homework) whose verses and choruses alternative buildup-breakdown so that it feels dancey. So again, Pop format, but within that structure, you have total flexibility. :)
The ranking will be done in brackets, according to a 3 part score, 1 to 5 with 1 being suck and 5 being pro. Quality of production, mixdown, mastering. Adherence to rules/format. Vibe, creativity, just how much you like the track, freeform vote.
Also you will cast a holistic vote on the forum voting software which serves as a tie breaker.[5]Submissions will go through the battle forum--I'll make that part easy for yah.
One entry per person

Roll call!


edit: Not pop genre! just structure! any BPM/style/sound!
edit two: one entry per player
edit three: all site members are allowed and encouraged to rank the battle mixes--except your own battle

edit four:
here is accapella :devil: it has no words. Accapella must be recognizable, but can be chopped up, sampled, effected, and as short as you want. But again, it must be recognizable or people will give you a low/zero score on following rules
http://soundcloud.com/huckthig/flipflapjack-v2-2trx Because it's freeform and genre free, you could still pull in your own vocals separate of this.


edit five:
HOW TO SUBMIT
http://www.djforums.com/forums/showthread.php?9316-The-producer-battle-battle-thread&p=104447#post104447

[AbstractQuality]

I'm down. What's with the pop structure only though?

[Hygro]

I'm down. What's with the pop structure only though?

A) it's in lieu of a single genre requirement, which was popular but not universal
B) it's in lieu of a sample pack, which was popular but not universal
C) it keeps submissions short
D) it makes it difficult to not start over with a new track, since few of us make any pop-format tracks to begin with.
E) tying into A and B, it keeps us all kind of on the same page, even with big and awesome creative differences. That's what the genre or sample pack was for.

[Socks]

Im game.. When you say pop format tho, I assume your just talking about the structure, and not a specific BPM range or genre?

[Hygro]

Im game.. When you say pop format tho, I assume your just talking about the structure, and not a specific BPM range or genre?
Exactly. No pop genre requirements or bullshit like that. Any BPM. You can make gabbercore-meets-ambient-orchestral at 220 BPM. Just keep the structure :)

[Rek_Aviles]

I'm in.

nice work on the rules.

[drop1]

i'll give it a go.

[Clayton]

Lets do this

[Mike Raunchy]

yes. me want in

[Funkyfader]

Im in,but I have finals currently

[drumpusher]

Acapella idea is ghey. But I'm in.

[Mrspyaman]

I'm in. Are we limited to 1 entry?

[g-sep]

Count me IN! Let's get the cheese ready!

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[DougMore]

I'm in.

[Tektonix]

Im Down (: Any of our own samples and VST's are ok correct?

[CHAZE]

can't wait.

[Ellissentials]

I'll dabble

[Ignotus]

ok im game

[Hygro]

Acapella idea is ghey. But I'm in.
Let's not use being gay as a pejorative here, but yeah, feel free to minimize the accapella's presence. I probably will. Still choosing the acapella.

Im Down (: Any of our own samples and VST's are ok correct?

Yeah, if you wanna pull vengeance samples or apple loops or similar thats fine (not sure why you would) and of course VSTs are fine. Audio Units, as us Logic users call em.

[drumpusher]

Who is ranking/judging the comp out of interest?

[Hygro]

Who is ranking/judging the comp out of interest?

All of us. We're DJs, so we all know music. ;D

So for example, lets say 10 people submit once it all comes to it. 5 1v1 matches for the first round, and everyone who shows up and bothers and ranks is how it's decided. Proper etiquette would suggest that we all honestly rank everyone's mix in the battles we aren't a part of, to ensure sufficient votes. In total it would take less time that listening to a DJ mix battle, since each song is 3ish minutes.

[drumpusher]

Cool. Not expecting to get far, so I'mma just roll with it from here on out. Best of luck to all who enter.

[Hygro]

Cool cool, me too! haha

[mos]

ah, i did have some spare time within the past couple of weeks; could be fun -but then, there was no way i'd fit within the rules since i just cannot create anything shorter than 6-7 minutes :P

[xyloft]

Pop formats have 16 bar phrases, though as dance music uses 32 bar phrases, you obviously have flexibility to give it a 32 bar feel.

I thought a bar was 4 beats and EDM phrases were 32 beats (8 bars at 4:4). Or am I confused?

Can I hear the accapella before committing to the challenge?

[Hygro]

I thought a bar was 4 beats and EDM phrases were 32 beats (8 bars at 4:4). Or am I confused?

Can I hear the accapella before committing to the challenge?

32 bar phrases are made of four 8 bars. 16 bar phrases are made of four 4 bars.

Technically speaking house and trance music are in 8/4 time, and techno is in 2/4. No producer realizes this while plugging away in the 4/4 setting on their DAW. Pop is in 4/4.

The accapella itself shouldn't matter but do what you want.

[xyloft]

32 bar phrases are made of four 8 bars. 16 bar phrases are made of four 4 bars.

Technically speaking house and trance music are in 8/4 time, and techno is in 2/4. No producer realizes this while plugging away in the 4/4 setting on their DAW. Pop is in 4/4.

The accapella itself shouldn't matter but do what you want.

That makes way more sense.

I'm interested, but I kinda want to see what i have to start with to make sure I can create something worth listening to.

[drop1]

That makes way more sense.

I'm interested, but I kinda want to see what i have to start with to make sure I can create something worth listening to.

For what. Theres no chance in hell that i'll make something that sounds any better than cats being murdered.

[Funkyfader]

For what. Theres no chance in hell that i'll make something that sounds any better than cats being murdered.

cats

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being murdered?
http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/e/e6/Okay_guy.jpg

[xyloft]

For what. Theres no chance in hell that i'll make something that sounds any better than cats being murdered.

so you're going to make dubstep? LOL j/k


Alright.. I'm in. maybe this is the push I need to progress. and if all else fails I'll just record 3 minutes of me playing diablo 3.

[Atomisk]

To compete or not to compete?

[drop1]

so you're going to make dubstep? LOL j/k



Dubstep sounds like the angels of heaven compared to most of my attempts. :uhoh:

[Hygro]

To compete or not to compete?

to compete. I crashed and burned back in 2010. I still learned a ton doing weird things producing in a different way.

[gr2daover]

i can try to see what i can come up with! sounds very interesting

[drop1]

Wheres my acapella?

[AbstractQuality]

Wheres my acapella?

+1

Lets get this going!

[thehadgi]

Yeah I wanna hear deez mixez :teef:

[CHAZE]

slacking!!!

[Tektonix]

WE ARE THE 99%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......I Mean Yeah Where's My Acapella? :teef:

[Hygro]

Sorry, crazy day.

http://soundcloud.com/huckthig/flipflapjack-v2-2trx

:teef:

You only have to use what makes it recognizable. That means just one note, as long as it's clear and fits appropriately and obviously into the track. You could do some creative effects and stuff to it.

[C Wrex]

I'm down! Let's get this competition started! :D

[Tektonix]

I can chop it up and stuff as i please correct?

[Hygro]

I can chop it up and stuff as i please correct?

yes. you don't even need to use all/most of the sample or anything.

[thehadgi]

make sure you use stutter edit. instant success

http://nosleepproductionsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Vocal-Recording.jpg

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http://www.izotope.com/products/audio/stutteredit/images/stutteredit_large_screenshot.png

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http://www.emfmusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Skrillex-live1.jpeg





:teef:

[Rek_Aviles]

Sorry, crazy day.

http://soundcloud.com/huckthig/flipflapjack-v2-2trx

:teef:

:lol:

I was expecting some lyrics. :unamused:

[xyloft]

:lol:

I was expecting some lyrics. :unamused:

agreed. but this could be interesting.

[franksij]

too late to join? if not I'm in!

[Hygro]

not too late. you have until the deadline to submit. a week before the deadline I will have instructions

[Null]

i'll give it a go.

So, where's the acapella.... Cant find it

[Hygro]

It's now on the first post. It's also on post 40. And quoted on post 45. ;)

[Null]

Nevermind, thanks though, i found it! Im just a little "slow" tonite ;)

[drumpusher]

Any chance of getting the key of the acapella?

[Rek_Aviles]

oh, i'm winning this shit. :dance:

[Hygro]

Any chance of getting the key of the acapella?
Yes, use a tuner in your DAW or bust out the piano. Produce away!

(I have no idea, I haven't checked yet :P)

[drop1]

Has anyone figured out the bpm on this.?

[Hygro]

Man I was just gonna slice up bits of it and adjust as needed :shrug: , but the part I just tested is ballpark 100.

[drumpusher]

Yes, use a tuner in your DAW or bust out the piano. Produce away!

(I have no idea, I haven't checked yet :P)

Yeah I did that earlier, The fact it's a multitrack recording is throwing me, I'll run it through Rapid Evolution later.

[drumpusher]

Has anyone figured out the bpm on this.?

I got 112 in the section I sliced.

[Funkyfader]

when is this due?

[Rek_Aviles]

Saturday's midnight (aka Sunday) on your local time, on June 16.

[Hygro]

when is this due?

As Rek Aviles says. Also, that's bolded in the first post.

[Rek_Aviles]

Anyone else started on theirs ?

[Hygro]

Barely, tbh :P but I'm pretty fast when it comes to making sounds. Have you?

[drop1]

Ive already scrapped 4 or 5 attempts. The structure kills me.

[Rek_Aviles]

I have the layers and melody I want. Chopped up the vocals and arranged them to go with.. Need to start track arrangement and tweak levels/mix down.

I think i'll need to get most of that done tomorrow, cause i'll have no time next weekend.

[DougMore]

I'm going to have to drop due to major motherboard issues :(

Can't get past POST on the PC with Ableton (thank GOD I backed up a week ago).

I will still be voting though (duh). Good luck everyone!

[AbstractQuality]

Ive already scrapped 4 or 5 attempts. The structure kills me.

Same here. 3:20 is soooo short for me, I feel like I'm just making a small preview of a track.

[Funkyfader]

i have finished mine,done it in a rush and it also is 4:26 will that be a problem?

[Hygro]

Well, you'll likely lose points on one of the 3 categories but thats up to each listener :shrug: if its worth it its worth it.' I would probably judge on how well you kept the format even with the extended minute. A lot of pop songs today reach 4 minutes because they add instrumental drops after each chorus before the verse. But the other point is to keep judging from being daunting.

The first thing to cut in a radio version of a song is the DJ-friendly intro and outtro, keep them 16 beats is 8 seconds on a house track, instead of a minute long 128

[Rek_Aviles]

Well, you'll likely lose points on one of the 3 categories but thats up to each listener :shrug: if its worth it its worth it.' I would probably judge on how well you kept the format even with the extended minute. A lot of pop songs today reach 4 minutes because they add instrumental drops after each chorus before the verse. But the other point is to keep judging from being daunting.

The first thing to cut in a radio version of a song is the DJ-friendly intro and outro, keep them 16 beats is 8 seconds on a house track, instead of a minute long 128

yah, it's a pain. Pretty much the track should just start with the inst playing, instead of building them up, like you normally would.

I'm currently working on the first 16bar intro; tweaking to see what sounds best, without everything playing at once.

[Hygro]

I'm stuck between a few ideas. It's a hard sample file to work with! One of my ideas is coming together really clean, but I feel like it's a solid 2nd place kind of track. Like it could not win, but those who like it will really like it. My other idea isn't far along but I'm not sure how to include the sample yet. Uncharted territory for me.

[Hygro]

I'm getting feedback that some of you are having trouble with the sample.

We all are. That's kind of the point. ;) Worst case, just make a track, and throw a bit of the guy in there for good measure. That's damn near what I'm doing and I picked it. Treat it like a water mark on a photo :P. Pop formats sometimes sound awkward if you don't start with a fill before the first downbeat. Use his voice as the fill and then ignore it for the rest of the song. It doesn't really matter. Do your own thing and get it done :D

[Rek_Aviles]

n00b :P

[Rek_Aviles]

baaah.

rules were already posted. :zany:

[Hygro]

wait wait wait! lemme give the official submission rules in a couple days :P

[thehadgi]

lookin forward to hearin all the shizz once they get posted up

[Hygro]

sry that took me so long and good luck


HOW TO SUBMIT
http://www.djforums.com/forums/showthread.php?9316-The-producer-battle-battle-thread&p=104447#post104447

[drumpusher]

Didn't bother with this in the end :teef:

[Hygro]

you got 2 days to slap one together. fuck it, be like nike and just do it ;)

[Hygro]

bump causeeeeeee where y'all at?

[Rek_Aviles]

It's just four of us. Anyone else?