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Dave Porter
04-04-2012, 05:53 PM
Noticed alot of hating directed at what seems to the new style of Trance. I personnally love it, sounds great and keeps the genre strong and fresh well in the future. With alot of producers doing it now and it become more common place I am wondering what everyone else thought of this...?

Here are some examples.....

easily one of the best tracks of 2011.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M_XETcoHE4&ob=av2e

BP Trance chart No 1 right now


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGXv2J14glY&ob=av2n

Former BP Trance chart No 1, and this made it to No 6 in the BP main charts....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6COLsh7bG8

Also, here is a summary of why it is bad to hate genre devolopment.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NSWLa1UtIY

So what do you all think?

Ohmega
04-04-2012, 06:11 PM
Well I am not a fan of Trance having Dubstep elements in it and I'm fine with being narrow minded if that's how you want to look at it. All the tunes you posted sound like half ass versions of Trance and/or Dubstep. I guess the larger problem is getting people to respond to staple sound patterns that have defined genres for nearly 20 years. Granted a lot of the new DJ's dont know up from down in respects to the history of things, but to throw a forward aggressive musical style into a deep TRANCE music style is like trying to mix oil and water...just not going to happen! It might (and I stress might) be alright to throw a tune in to mix things up or move the energy in a different direction for a tune or two but to imply that Trance is evolving because it has a Dubstep element in it is just plain foolish!!!

Any seasoned Trance DJ knows how to ramp energy without resorting to the ban wagon approach of "hey this is hard because it has a Dubstep wobble".

Dave Porter
04-04-2012, 06:36 PM
Well I am not a fan of Trance having Dubstep elements in it and I'm fine with being narrow minded if that's how you want to look at it. All the tunes you posted sound like half ass versions of Trance and/or Dubstep. I guess the larger problem is getting people to respond to staple sound patterns that have defined genres for nearly 20 years. Granted a lot of the new DJ's dont know up from down in respects to the history of things, but to throw a forward aggressive musical style into a deep TRANCE music style is like trying to mix oil and water...just not going to happen! It might (and I stress might) be alright to throw a tune in to mix things up or move the energy in a different direction for a tune or two but to imply that Trance is evolving because it has a Dubstep element in it is just plain foolish!!!

Any seasoned Trance DJ knows how to ramp energy without resorting to the ban wagon approach of "hey this is hard because it has a Dubstep wobble".

I will go as far as admitting that back around 2004 when I finally accepted that the days of 1999/2000 where not coming back, it was a real breath of life to me. Now that the whole game is starting to changing again, things are really looking up. Widening access and broadening the sound of a genre is only a good thing.

Also I wouldn't go as far to call the haters narrow minded, but its certainly short sighted. Not that I really care what other people listen to any way.

In 12 months time my guess is that a majority of releases on a medium/major Trance labels will have a Dubstep/Electro house style element to it.

djshire
04-04-2012, 07:30 PM
Its an added element, not a new genre. A lot of genres are adding the dubstep breakdown into the tracks. I think its ridiculous and incongruous to the track flow.

thehadgi
04-04-2012, 08:38 PM
The LFO synched wobble is trite and overused

It needs to stop

NathanWard
04-05-2012, 03:26 AM
Yeah The Fusion is pretty terrible.

Mahatma Coat
04-05-2012, 03:52 AM
I can't really see how trance and dub step could go together...

One is all about hands in the air euphoria, the other is generally about heads down darkness.

Surely if you mixed the two together you'd end up with some weird schizophrenic sound that wouldn't really appeal to anyone, especially trance and dub step types?

ChrisHynds
04-05-2012, 07:18 AM
I would be very surprised if it lasts tbh, there are a very small handful of Producers toying with it here and there and the tracks that they are producing are very average, to call Tomahawk the Trance tune of 2011 is just plain retarded, for a start its more of a Prog house track than it is Trance, it has Adam K's trade mark sound written all over it, he's a House Producer, and the Dub breakdown, well its just another generic Dub breakdown, = the Trance track of 2011??? :facepalm: I think not.

As stated before Trance has been getting more and more watered down as the years pass, but there are still plenty of great producers out their breathing life into the genre. I enjoy listening to shows like Trance (House) Around the World etc even tho they are playing very pop/commercial sounding so called "Trance", its easy to listen too and every now and then they drop a great Trance track. I dont have a problem with the "new" breed of Trance/House thats being produced as it still holds elements of the genre that we used to hear and love so much, but its always important to remember and understand what the genre is about and where its roots lie, which are far from whats being classed as "Trance" these days & thats very important to know. The fact that TATW, ASOT etc are becoming more and more commercialised means that there are more and more newbies being attracted to this whole new "Trance" sound which is where I feel the problem lies. They are hearing all of these House/Trance tracks and believing this is what Trance is all about, when really anyone thats followed the genre for more than the last 5/6 years knows this is far from the truth. If they happened to dig a little deeper into the picture and find out about the not so mainstream artists out there like Patterson, Nick Callaghan, Van Dyk, etc they might get a taste of that proper oldskool Trance sound and tbh I reckon the majority of them wouldnt like it.

Dave Porter
04-05-2012, 08:16 AM
I would be very surprised if it lasts tbh, there are a very small handful of Producers toying with it here and there and the tracks that they are producing are very average, to call Tomahawk the Trance tune of 2011 is just plain retarded, for a start its more of a Prog house track than it is Trance, it has Adam K's trade mark sound written all over it, he's a House Producer, and the Dub breakdown, well its just another generic Dub breakdown, = the Trance track of 2011??? :facepalm: I think not.

As stated before Trance has been getting more and more watered down as the years pass, but there are still plenty of great producers out their breathing life into the genre. I enjoy listening to shows like Trance (House) Around the World etc even tho they are playing very pop/commercial sounding so called "Trance", its easy to listen too and every now and then they drop a great Trance track. I dont have a problem with the "new" breed of Trance/House thats being produced as it still holds elements of the genre that we used to hear and love so much, but its always important to remember and understand what the genre is about and where its roots lie, which are far from whats being classed as "Trance" these days & thats very important to know. The fact that TATW, ASOT etc are becoming more and more commercialised means that there are more and more newbies being attracted to this whole new "Trance" sound which is where I feel the problem lies. They are hearing all of these House/Trance tracks and believing this is what Trance is all about, when really anyone thats followed the genre for more than the last 5/6 years knows this is far from the truth. If they happened to dig a little deeper into the picture and find out about the not so mainstream artists out there like Patterson, Nick Callaghan, Van Dyk, etc they might get a taste of that proper oldskool Trance sound and tbh I reckon the majority of them wouldnt like it.

Been a fan a Trance music isn't like been part of an exclusive club. More people been attracted to a genre because its been " watered down " (developed) is only a good thing. For example Gareth Emery (sorry to cite the same artist twice) did a remix for Britney Spears a while back. It was hardly going to be a classic but it did a very good job of getting more people to the genre.

As well I don't think producers are going far enough with the current line of experimentation, and it needs to be taken further to broaden access to Trance. Also while your roots are important their does come a time when people need to let go of it. The original Trance sound from the mid 90's bears very little resemblance to today sound, so what do you think Trance will sound like in 2022? If it exists at all.....

Also would you care to define commercialised? Is it something bad? Because of I thought it was a word used by people who use it as a excuse not to like an artist they used to like, simply because they sold more records.

As for you point about TATW AND ASOT, I think I am willing to trust Above & Beyond and Armin more than I trust fans who nit pick from their ivory tower about what's good for a genre.

To get to people like Si Patterson you don't have to dig very far at all, his latest release clocks in at a speedy 130 BPM, and while alot of people are hating on his latest track, I say good on him. Yet more development in the style of someone's music. He also got into the BP top 10 with that release as well, which was fantastic for him and Night Vision.

DJ Nutty
04-05-2012, 08:40 AM
I quite liked that 1st track, then it turned to shit 3 minutes in..

I agree with alot of the points made, mixing trance and dubstep sounds like just trying to cash in on 2 genres at the same time, with horrendous results.

I have no problem with producers taking trance music and wattering it down for the masses, but IMO, it stops being Trance and becomes generic "Dance Music". I wouldn't even say Trance is about hands in the air euphoria as such, proper Trance to me is quite driving, with super sweet melodies that just makes your legs start moving, with long builds and flows throughout the track. One thing I cant stand about comercial trance atm, is all the riffs seems to be 1 or 2 bars long, and then song seems to keep stopping and repeating all the time. Its awful. Trance melodies, and tunes should be above the driving bassline/beats, and continuing on past the bars throughout the journey of the song.

Maybe what I'm trying to say is, in alot of comercial trance I see no connection betwen bars 1&2 and 3&4, its like half the stuff is just 2 bar loops dropped in with no thought about the overall flow and continuation of the track.

But I digress...

Era 7
04-05-2012, 08:42 AM
meh. gimme 135-140BPM with a heavy drum :dance:

ChrisHynds
04-05-2012, 10:42 AM
Been a fan a Trance music isn't like been part of an exclusive club. More people been attracted to a genre because its been " watered down " (developed) is only a good thing. For example Gareth Emery (sorry to cite the same artist twice) did a remix for Britney Spears a while back. It was hardly going to be a classic but it did a very good job of getting more people to the genre.

As well I don't think producers are going far enough with the current line of experimentation, and it needs to be taken further to broaden access to Trance. Also while your roots are important their does come a time when people need to let go of it. The original Trance sound from the mid 90's bears very little resemblance to today sound, so what do you think Trance will sound like in 2022? If it exists at all.....

Also would you care to define commercialised? Is it something bad? Because of I thought it was a word used by people who use it as a excuse not to like an artist they used to like, simply because they sold more records.

As for you point about TATW AND ASOT, I think I am willing to trust Above & Beyond and Armin more than I trust fans who nit pick from their ivory tower about what's good for a genre.

To get to people like Si Patterson you don't have to dig very far at all, his latest release clocks in at a speedy 130 BPM, and while alot of people are hating on his latest track, I say good on him. Yet more development in the style of someone's music. He also got into the BP top 10 with that release as well, which was fantastic for him and Night Vision.

Maybe you picked me up wrong??? I said that I didnt have a problem with the new style of Trance & that Im a big Fan of A&B & Armin etc and I support what they are doing, the question from the OP was about the changing face of the genre, my point was that I feel its changing due to artists using commercialised tracks & in this instance yes I think that commercialism is a bad thing as its watering down & taking away the true sound of the genre, how is this supporting it??? I agree with you that its great that more people are following it but are they really following Trance music? I suppose thats all down to a matter of opinion????

Ohmega
04-05-2012, 04:53 PM
In 12 months time my guess is that a majority of releases on a medium/major Trance labels will have a Dubstep/Electro house style element to it.

:whack: :furious:

This genre fusion with Progressive/Breaks/Dubstep began in 2004-2007 and its not taken hold yet. What makes you think it's going to take hold now? Because Skrillex won a few Grammy's - laughable at best? I've been going to shows and mixing at venues since the early 90's and no such massive movement has changed anything for the genres on a whole. Just Dubstep artists trying to make a Trance tune since its 140BPM or a Trance artist making Dubstep because its 140BPM. It's a simple double time or half tempo bastardization of genre lines. It still does not 100% cross the barrier of a major breakthrough though. More than anything it's just an annoying attempt to be somewhat different. Which is like a skydive belly-flop!!!!

And on another level; mixing 2 genres means mixing 2 distinct genres, not hey this easy transition trance tune has a Dubstep breakdown in the middle. Look at me I'm soo cutting edge :jerk:. Spare me that newbie approach :twhack:! Mix actual Dubstep with Trance and let's have this conversation over :school:. You are not doing anything other than playing tunes instead of actually mixing new elements together as a DJ. What you are suggesting with this genre bending is a jukebox approach with odd musical arrangements within the track. Hardly new, and hardly ground breaking...

All I have to say is this thread is....:tdown: STUPID!

Dave Porter
04-05-2012, 06:00 PM
:whack: :furious:

This genre fusion with Progressive/Breaks/Dubstep began in 2004-2007 and its not taken hold yet. What makes you think it's going to take hold now? Because Skrillex won a few Grammy's - laughable at best? I've been going to shows and mixing at venues since the early 90's and no such massive movement has changed anything for the genres on a whole. Just Dubstep artists trying to make a Trance tune since its 140BPM or a Trance artist making Dubstep because its 140BPM. It's a simple double time or half tempo bastardization of genre lines. It still does not 100% cross the barrier of a major breakthrough though. More than anything it's just an annoying attempt to be somewhat different. Which is like a skydive belly-flop!!!!

And on another level; mixing 2 genres means mixing 2 distinct genres, not hey this easy transition trance tune has a Dubstep breakdown in the middle. Look at me I'm soo cutting edge :jerk:. Spare me that newbie approach :twhack:! Mix actual Dubstep with Trance and let's have this conversation over :school:. You are not doing anything other than playing tunes instead of actually mixing new elements together as a DJ. What you are suggesting with this genre bending is a jukebox approach with odd musical arrangements within the track. Hardly new, and hardly ground breaking...

All I have to say is this thread is....:tdown: STUPID!

Im not trying to mix the two genre's? Where did you get that idea from? I am here to discuss the evolution of a genre of music via means taking sounds found commonly in other genres. Okay, they title of this thread is slightly misleading as it means to include more than just "Dubstep", but I am making a point, and one that is back up via many successful releases over the last few months.

Also this has nothing to do with any Dubstep artist winning awards or anyone jumping on any band wagons. As I have explained already this is all simply the development of a genre, which must happen in order for it to survive. Afterall no one makes a living by producing the same music year in and out.

You can ignore the clear changes taking place right in front of you or you can keep up with them. But at the end of the day, Haters are gonna hate. And all I know is that I will be enjoying the latest released in years to come and not getting all nostalgic about days gone by.

disparate
04-09-2012, 07:11 AM
General opinions on the tracks aside, I think calling them dubstep is pretty tenuous/far fetched. A "dirty synth" with a bit of pitch bending and LFO does not = dubstep. Elements of electro house would be a better description really, I mean I'm barely hearing any half-step rhythms, dub-wise use of space, or whatever else defines dubstep.

I see people talking about trance returning to form these days but I'm still waiting to hear it; generic 2004-style wishy-washy Armada melodic trance with some chainsaw synths thrown in for a bit of contrast isn't quite it.

Gareth
04-09-2012, 08:28 AM
As I have explained already this is all simply the development of a genre, which must happen in order for it to survive. Afterall no one makes a living by producing the same music year in and out.

I think the Rolling Stones did exactly that for over 40 years.

Sedna
04-11-2012, 08:11 PM
Electro-trance bullshit needs to die. It's promoting trance as something it's not. There is nothing left of the trance genre within this new electro trouse stuff. It's all just gritty saw bass, catchy hooks, and overused vocals. NONE of that is trance.

There is a massive, MASSIVE difference between euphoria and a hook. Arty & Mat Zo's "Mozart" is a hook. There is no euphoria. No blending of different instruments and percussions to make one beautiful seemless break. It's just a catchy melody, like every other radio song. Man With No Name - Floor Essence (Apogee Remix) is euphoria at its finest. That is how trance was meant to be.

Ohmega
04-13-2012, 06:04 PM
You can ignore the clear changes taking place right in front of you or you can keep up with them.

Alright you're the boss... I'm done with this. We agree to disagree, but that's what makes DJ'ing so individual.

Just for arguments sake maybe you could do a 30 minute mix and give us a sample of this Trance revolution!?! I'm kind of interested to hear your take on things.

Sedna
04-14-2012, 04:29 AM
I see people talking about trance returning to form these days but I'm still waiting to hear it; generic 2004-style wishy-washy Armada melodic trance with some chainsaw synths thrown in for a bit of contrast isn't quite it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8ypP_-ICRk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc5GwpfblnU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIiWzhK-oqo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSNOzQfXzhU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLuVYgxag5Q

And songs like these have been shooting up everywhere, ESPECIALLY end of 2011/beginning of 2012...

The real trance is returning. Just you wait.

Dave Porter
04-14-2012, 06:04 AM
Alright you're the boss... I'm done with this. We agree to disagree, but that's what makes DJ'ing so individual.

Just for arguments sake maybe you could do a 30 minute mix and give us a sample of this Trance revolution!?! I'm kind of interested to hear your take on things.

Tbh, we're both right. What im talking about will probably end up been classed as something else in the end and the producers of it will move on to those scenes respectively. I dont count my self as a big fan of all the current stuff, but I do like it. My real loyalties are at 140bpm and stuff that really just oozes energy.

I'd be up for it. But I am gonna wait till the Trance Tourney when I will get more chance to hammer the new stuff. If I get though enough rounds, then I will get a chance to try everything.

If your interested in the mean time I want to get another trance battle going as soon as the current one is over. But make this one more interesting. Put a time limit on it and a minimum track count, see if things could be spiced up. Are you game for that as well Sedna?

Dave Porter
04-14-2012, 08:26 AM
[video=youtube;b8ypP_-ICRk]

The real trance is returning. Just you wait.

I wasnt really counting psy in this discussion mate. That seems to have a life of its own, but some good tracks anyway. Gonna go check some BIN releases out right now.

Dave Porter
04-14-2012, 08:37 AM
[video=youtube;b8ypP_-ICRk]

The real trance is returning. Just you wait.

Double post.

Sedna
04-14-2012, 11:51 AM
I wasnt really counting psy in this discussion mate. That seems to have a life of its own, but some good tracks anyway. Gonna go check some BIN releases out right now.

VuuV Festival Celebration walks the fine line between psy and trance. Today, people are quick to label it psy because look at the "trance" market it's compared to. However, I honestly think if it had been released 10 years ago it would have been labeled trance instead.

djshire
04-14-2012, 02:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8ypP_-ICRk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc5GwpfblnU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIiWzhK-oqo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSNOzQfXzhU


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLuVYgxag5Q

And songs like these have been shooting up everywhere, ESPECIALLY end of 2011/beginning of 2012...

The real trance is returning. Just you wait.

That's all psy trance.....and that never went away.

Sedna
04-15-2012, 11:35 PM
That's all psy trance.....and that never went away.

Today there is lots of trance that is labeled as psy-trance because the name of trance has been sold to the commercial electro and trouse cheese you hear from the "top" DJs every day. Real trance is making its comeback, and the songs I posted are good examples. These tracks are a cross between progressive psy and normal trance, but if you think about it 10-15 years ago this type of music wasn't considered psy-trance, it was just trance.

I personally don't consider any of the tracks above to be psytrance at all, save for the Burn in Noise song. Oliver Prime is dark progressive trance, J00F releases a psy track from time to time, but for the most part plays trance (1440 Minutes I would say is entirely trance with zero psy). Ovnimoon and Cosmithex both have their "psy" influence, but I think they lean more toward the trance side as well.

LukeDent
04-18-2012, 10:47 AM
I've heard this stuff referred to as complextro.
I like it but it's not trance. Sounds more like a blend of progressive house, electro, dirty Dutch and dubstep.

Pri yon Joni
04-18-2012, 08:57 PM
Personally, I like the fact that some dubstep is melodic and trancy, so I kept producing remixes towards that idea.


http://youtu.be/WC9w5gjpcRo

DJ Nutty
04-19-2012, 08:28 AM
Totally agree with Sedna. I would say most people are brainwashed into thinking the cheese that Armin plays constantly is proper trance, which I dont think it is.

Alot of trance from non-comerical producers just gets lumped under the psy-trance label because of it being more underground.

djshire
04-19-2012, 05:49 PM
Personally, I like the fact that some dubstep is melodic and trancy, so I kept producing remixes towards that idea.


http://youtu.be/WC9w5gjpcRo
Ferry Corstens remix was much better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiNJNPwfxsk

LukeDent
04-20-2012, 09:31 AM
Totally agree with Sedna. I would say most people are brainwashed into thinking the cheese that Armin plays constantly is proper trance, which I dont think it is.

Alot of trance from non-comerical producers just gets lumped under the psy-trance label because of it being more underground.

Are you saying that armins stuff isn't trance or that it's not what you think true trance is.

What I mean is I believe that the stuff he plays is trance and the trance I like but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the only form of of the genre. And by that I'm not trying to differentiate it into another sub genre.

Ah hell, that doesn't sound anything like the point I'm trying to get across.

Basically they're both trance (slow and cheesey and hard n fast) but not sub genres of.

soloakadamy
04-20-2012, 10:48 AM
All I am hearing is troll troll troll.

Ohmega
04-20-2012, 04:49 PM
Totally agree with Sedna. I would say most people are brainwashed into thinking the cheese that Armin plays constantly is proper trance, which I dont think it is.

Alot of trance from non-comerical producers just gets lumped under the psy-trance label because of it being more underground.

I 100000000% agree. Armin plays some of the most watered down trance tunes on the planet. I remember trance 20 years ago when Armin was an absolute nobody on the scene and even further in the shadows was Ferry Corsten. Granted Armin has made a zillion bucks by now, but I'm not a fan of his chick-flick tunes. Those songs resonate better with the ladies I feel. Everytime I hear an Armin tunes its 99% of the time the same leads, same pads and the same breakdown structure. Armind is a surface level trance label at best. I guess that can be said for almost anything on the Armada catalog.

However I love EDM so as much as I might bash on Armin I think he has done a lot for opening the culture to the masses.

Ohmega
04-20-2012, 04:53 PM
Ferry Corstens remix was much better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiNJNPwfxsk

The full length limited edition BT releases eat these remix versions for lunch. And I'm not taking the album versions. That Dubstep version is the most retarded thing I have heard in years. The pitched up vocals sound like an auto-tune disaster.

DJ Nutty
04-23-2012, 06:32 AM
Are you saying that armins stuff isn't trance or that it's not what you think true trance is.

What I mean is I believe that the stuff he plays is trance and the trance I like but that doesn't necessarily mean it's the only form of of the genre. And by that I'm not trying to differentiate it into another sub genre.

Ah hell, that doesn't sound anything like the point I'm trying to get across.

Basically they're both trance (slow and cheesey and hard n fast) but not sub genres of.

I would go as far as saying alot of what Armin and the big DJ's play now isn't Trance. Its nothing like what trance used to be like, and it just isn't trancey in the slightest. Not knocking Armin, as I used to love his radio show, but as someone else said, its just too watered down to be considered proper trance anymore. Last time I saw Armin play it was epic breakdown after epic breakdown, and just utterly boring. At most there was like 2 minutes of beats until it stopped for another 5 minute hands in the air moment.. :(

The Psy/underground trance music is definitly becoming more popular these days tho, which can only be a good thing.

Dave Porter
04-23-2012, 10:08 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyQ4sYvz_sU

numero deux in BP trance charts right now.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGDLwM3PniA&ob=av2e

nice little bass line on this one....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRMrrdatevI

heatbeat can not do anything wrong right now. love this track.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lEWnZ6KSAg

Bit housey, but its been sold as trance on all good DL stores.



I could post up loads more, but I guess everyone gets the picture now.

Some good stuff tho........

ChrisHynds
04-23-2012, 09:35 PM
That Shogun track sounds like shit, it sounds more Electro than it does Trance,

Ohmega
04-24-2012, 01:01 PM
That Shogun track sounds like shit, it sounds more Electro than it does Trance,

Damn straight, that is the worst tune I have heard in years even if you want to call it Trance, Electro or whatever.

@Dave Porter,
I think you have single handly pissed off every "die-hard" Trance DJ on this site. Way to go!!!! Keep drinking that Kool-Aid because you truly have no clue as to what you are talking about and you continuously are putting your foot further in your mouth with these obsurd track posts trying to convince us that you know something.

I'm not nostalgic; I'm respectful of the genre. Something of which you know nothing about. :alien:

Dave Porter
04-24-2012, 05:05 PM
I think you have single handly pissed off every "die-hard" Trance DJ on this site.


Define "Die Hard"..... Or is it just a bunch of flat earthers who cant move on?



Way to go!!!! Keep drinking that Kool-Aid


I like a nice cuppa Tea if thats alright with you.



because you truly have no clue as to what you are talking about


You clearly have no idea who to tell me I am really wrong. All you have done is attempt to patronise me.



and you continuously are putting your foot further in your mouth with these obsurd track posts trying to convince us that you know something.


I have tried to put my foot in my mouth, and I cant. Also I am not out to convince anyone of anything. I don't expect you to grow and accept the change going on. I am however clearly demonstrating that the top producers are altering their sound significantly.



I'm not nostalgic; I'm respectful of the genre. Something of which you know nothing about.

You dont know me, therefore this statement has no grounding.

Have a nice day xxx

Dave Porter
04-24-2012, 05:06 PM
That Shogun track sounds like shit, it sounds more Electro than it does Trance,

Shotgun isnt anything special. Not overly keen on it my self, however I am sure it will grow on me given a few months.

Sedna
04-24-2012, 05:37 PM
Couldn't really agree more with Nutty and Ohmega.

Like Nutty said, loads of underground trance get lumped under "psytrance" when they're really not; it's just that the commercial trance scene (Armin, Shogun, Tom Fall, sadly enough even Cosmic Gate these days...) has such a different sound that people can't seem to compare the two within the same genre.

A lot can still be said about some of the bigger names today, still. Simon Patterson, Activa, Markus Schulz <33333... these dudes stick to the roots still. No cheesy electro basslines, not the same repetitive riffs in every song... their tracks actually have feeling and dynamic.

LukeDent
04-25-2012, 07:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyQ4sYvz_sU

numero deux in BP trance charts right now.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGDLwM3PniA&ob=av2e

nice little bass line on this one....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRMrrdatevI

heatbeat can not do anything wrong right now. love this track.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lEWnZ6KSAg

Bit housey, but its been sold as trance on all good DL stores.



I could post up loads more, but I guess everyone gets the picture now.

Some good stuff tho........

Correct me if I'm wrong but is this tech trance. I get really confused with all these subgenres.

mostapha
04-25-2012, 10:22 AM
First, to get this out of the way.


That Shogun track sounds like shit, it sounds more Electro than it does Trance,
Damn straight, that is the worst tune I have heard in years even if you want to call it Trance, Electro or whatever.


Shotgun isnt anything special. Not overly keen on it my self, however I am sure it will grow on me given a few months.

Just like herpes.

And, uhh…god, that song sucks. What were they thinking? It sounds like they watered down the sounds in Brap (Bart B Moore), made a bass line based off of a retarted 12-year-old girl's description of dubstep, and played some trance loops because they couldn't find their dirty dutch folder. It blows.

…anyway…


General opinions on the tracks aside, I think calling them dubstep is pretty tenuous/far fetched. A "dirty synth" with a bit of pitch bending and LFO does not = dubstep. Elements of electro house would be a better description really, I mean I'm barely hearing any half-step rhythms, dub-wise use of space, or whatever else defines dubstep.

You want to hear a good mesh of Trance and Dubstep…listen to Lupe.

MRUVa2OJsj4

Epic lead…lush pads…ridiculous reverb…half time…strong bass without resorting to an unnecessary wobble…lyrics that sound deep the first time you hear them and get dumber each time until you're having so much fun you just don't care (well…Sway's part, at least). Sounds like Dubstep based on Trance instead of Garage and 2-step to me.


The LFO synched wobble is trite and overused

Plus, it was better in breaks without everything being the same half-time boom bap groove we've been hearing since 1986.


Been a fan a Trance music isn't like been part of an exclusive club. More people been attracted to a genre because its been " watered down " (developed) is only a good thing.…it needs to be taken further to broaden access to Trance. They did that. Tiesto in Concert, Armin Only, and a few other massive 1-artist performances drew crowds in excess of 150,000. But, no, we need to cry for the poor little trance artists that can't get a following…so they might as well steal elements from the scene that replaced them after it starts to wane instead of getting ahead and trying to be whatever comes next.


The original Trance sound from the mid 90's bears very little resemblance to today sound, so what do you think Trance will sound like in 2022? If it exists at all.....No idea. But why does it have to change by sounding like something else? Jazz still sounds like Jazz even though Coltrane and Brubeck are long dead. Trance sounding like Electro or Dubstep won't make a new trance…it'll just be more Electro or Dubstep.


I see people talking about trance returning to form these days but I'm still waiting to hear it; generic 2004-style wishy-washy Armada melodic trance with some chainsaw synths thrown in for a bit of contrast isn't quite it.Agreed. I still maintain there's better stuff that feels like classic trance being released as Techno (or something like it) than anywhere else.


Totally agree with Sedna. I would say most people are brainwashed into thinking the cheese that Armin plays constantly is proper trance, which I dont think it is.

Alot of trance from non-comerical producers just gets lumped under the psy-trance label because of it being more underground.

I'm going to have to start looking at psy. I wrote it off a long time ago as mostly being too fast and chaotic to be something I'd really like, but there have been a few mixes over the years that I've really loved. If that's the case, I'll definitely give it a look. Nothing like making myself even harder to book by adding another genre that I'd like to spin.


I have tried to put my foot in my mouth, and I cant. Also I am not out to convince anyone of anything. I don't expect you to grow and accept the change going on. I am however clearly demonstrating that the top producers are altering their sound significantly. That doesn't mean it's a good thing. Nor does it mean that what they're making is trance. Someone called it complextro; I'd just call it more electro/dubstep crap. That music has its place, and it can be fun if the place is right. But that place is not in the middle of a trance set.

DJ Nutty
04-25-2012, 01:07 PM
You defo need to look again, theres loads of good stuff lumped under psytrance even down at 130 bpm, its not all 145 ;)

This for example, why on earth Beatport have it listed under psytrance I dont know, it sounds like proper trance to me, probably just because it has a rolling bassline. 134bpm. Sounds lush.
http://www.beatport.com/track/free-hugs-feat-peter-papiewski-feat-tjp-original-mix/3286728

mostapha
04-25-2012, 01:16 PM
I was slightly disappointed when the preview ended. Yeah…gonna have to listen to some of that.

DJ Nutty
04-25-2012, 01:46 PM
here you go :)

1Gq-oegvVlI

Sedna
04-25-2012, 09:21 PM
Oliver Prime is a fucking mad-man right now. SO GOOD.

Mostapha, check out J00F's "Global Trance Grooves." It's everything you could ever want and more when it comes to modern (true) trance.

mostapha
04-26-2012, 07:47 AM
I remember the name j00f from the last time I did trance. So, I'm not surprised.

Damn…I'm going to need a few more days before I can really shop for music, but I think I just a little less promotable. Or I need to make up multiple names for myself or something.

ChrisHynds
04-26-2012, 07:56 AM
Not sure if you guys have seen this, I though it was a pretty sick set of videos from JOOF, it old now but hasnt seem to have much viewing -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffoX6eAhohA

ChrisHynds
04-26-2012, 07:56 AM
this is just part 1 of I think 3 or 4 videos

Ohmega
04-26-2012, 05:07 PM
Not sure if you guys have seen this, I though it was a pretty sick set of videos from JOOF, it old now but hasnt seem to have much viewing -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffoX6eAhohA

So nice to hear proper Trance without the Armin cheese fest!!!!

mostapha
04-27-2012, 08:40 AM
My internet is crapping out (or my flash player is screwing up) and, uhh………yeah……I'm having flashbacks to some of his tutorial videos from when I started.

…and remembering why I used to be a trance DJ.