Speaker arrangement help!

[MatDJ]

Hi,
I have a 500x500w (Rms) amp and would like to connect two 'top' speakers to it along with two subs.

1) What size do the speakers and subs need to be?
2) How do I connect them?

If anyone can offer help or product advice i would be very greatful. (money is not currently an issue)

the amp specs are Here (http://www.matdj.co.uk/Amp.htm)

Thankyou for looking.

Matt

[Monomer]

you wont be able to run everything off of one amp.


look into getting an active crossover and another amp.

http://www.colomar.com/Shavano/subs.html

[MatDJ]

Hey,

Tankx so much for that! that has helped a ton!


Nehoo,

I have made a lil diagram of what I beleive to be correct.

Using an identical amp to the previous one along with a Gemini CX-1000 crossover (http://www.geminidj.com/cx_1000.html). 2 main speaker n subs.

1) good choice of crosover?
2) wiring correct?
3) correct size subs n speakes ( watts) ?

DIAGRAM HERE! (http://www.matdj.co.uk/speakerconfig.htm)

also would this be powerful enough for larger venues ( 200 -300 people)?

Thank you in advnce

Matt

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[MatDJ]

thought so lol

[Monomer]

Hey,

Tankx so much for that! that has helped a ton!


Nehoo,

I have made a lil diagram of what I beleive to be correct.

Using an identical amp to the previous one along with a Gemini CX-1000 crossover (http://www.geminidj.com/cx_1000.html). 2 main speaker n subs.

1) good choice of crosover?
2) wiring correct?
3) correct size subs n speakes ( watts) ?

DIAGRAM HERE! (http://www.matdj.co.uk/speakerconfig.htm)

also would this be powerful enough for larger venues ( 200 -300 people)?

Thank you in advnce

Matt


loose the gemini crossover (I like DBX) and bridge the sub amp (run spekers in parellel)

[MatDJ]

*Clicky* (http://www.matdj.co.uk/option.htm)

Would that work? or is it stupid?

matt

[Monomer]

*Clicky* (http://www.matdj.co.uk/option.htm)

Would that work? or is it stupid?

matt


link broken?

[MatDJ]

hmmm woks for me :S

[Ohashi]

worked for me too.

monomer, the diagram was of him running two lines off of his mixer, one signal for the tops, and another for the subs.

and yes, stay away from car audio. and stay away from behringer. it looks like you have a pretty good setup, and as they say, your system is only as good as the weakest link in the chain.

[JGeffen]

not going to comment on behringer mixers.

My advice is to match the wattage on your amp to the wattage your speakers can handle. That way there's a lower risk of distortion and blowing your speakers out. Otherwise, you've got the right idea. Run the signal from your mixer to the crossover, and run the bass signal to one amp to power your subs, and the mid/high signal to your other amp to power your full-range speakers.

Also, you might consider squeezing in a "Sonic Maximizer" or "Aureal Enhancer" into that chain to clean up the sound even more. From my experience, they really clean up the sound - especially the bass.

[Monomer]

not going to comment on behringer mixers.

My advice is to match the wattage on your amp to the wattage your speakers can handle. That way there's a lower risk of distortion and blowing your speakers out. Otherwise, you've got the right idea. Run the signal from your mixer to the crossover, and run the bass signal to one amp to power your subs, and the mid/high signal to your other amp to power your full-range speakers.

Also, you might consider squeezing in a "Sonic Maximizer" or "Aureal Enhancer" into that chain to clean up the sound even more. From my experience, they really clean up the sound - especially the bass.

-You want your amp to have 1.5x the rms value of your speakers (atleast) for headroom.

-Enhancers are a bandaid for people who dont know howto properly set a pa rig. If by "Cleaning up" you mean adds harmonic distortion, then yes they do. And it's not a good thing.

[Ohashi]

dbx driverack pa > sonic maximizer :spin:

[MatDJ]

Yey!

U guys helped so much!

now I just need advice on the type of crossover, are there any I have to stay away from, or any that are good?

[LunchieTey]

There's nothing wrong with Behringer mixers or x-overs,I had a 18kg 10" monitor fall 2 feet directly on to it in an emergency braking situation en-route to a gig,apart from a broken eq pot(still worked just broken knob) the mixer was fine. Upgraded to a Denon Digital(connected to my denon players) and there really is little difference-it doesn't even look to be much better in construction quality.
I've also been using a Behringer x-over for just about every gig for nearly 3 years without ANY problems at all.
As far as 'sonic maximisers' etc go,I don't care if the signal is 'cleaner' without it. Humans are not measurement microphones. They want it to sound open and spacious with a kick drum that they can feel and a wide soundfield that's nice and loud and clear(to them). They don't really care if they're getting sub 40hz bass(for most music) or 20khz hf extension OR .005% thd from the mixer.
Sonic maximisers use tricks to make our non linear-brain modified hearing get all excited and percieve it to sound better. They really do add some nice effect(if used up to a reasonable limit). IN ACTUAL FACT,a huge majority of new and old music is run through similar processors(sometimes just on certain instruments/vocals) to make the track sound punchier and have a wider soundstage.If anyone gets the chance to try one,they really are quite cool. :spin:

[Monomer]

Sonic maximisers use tricks to make our non linear-brain modified hearing get all excited and percieve it to sound better. They really do add some nice effect(if used up to a reasonable limit). IN ACTUAL FACT,a huge majority of new and old music is run through similar processors(sometimes just on certain instruments/vocals) to make the track sound punchier and have a wider soundstage.If anyone gets the chance to try one,they really are quite cool. :spin:


Most (aphex) add harmonics to make the sound "Full"

which also adds on the strain on the ear.



A properly crossovered, delayed system will sound better than what any "Maximizer" can do. Horn loaded (low in distortion) subs would also be a good choice.

[gmanz73]

i just gotta give props to chaineddragon87, BTW the only way he noes his stuf is cuz he read filthy daves article

[DJ D3CIB3L]

Hey. Umm- i dont what to say about the Sonic Maximizer. Im really on the edge of buying one- just out of curiosity. What other people say cant convince me its a waste of money (sorry). I just cant believe that you dont need one because every dj ive seen is using one- even my budd that pushes eaw's with a crown powertech.

So- i guess ill go test my rig at the local GC or sam ash with and without a sonic maximizer to see if it makes a difference. Or maybe ill look into a rane Me15 eq. It just depends where the wind and my wallet takes me. lol

[JGeffen]

whether or not it's a "strain on my ears" and if a properly-set-up-crossover will have a "better" effect, I still think a rig with a maximizer sounds better than a rig w/o it

[Monomer]

i just gotta give props to chaineddragon87, BTW the only way he noes his stuf is cuz he read filthy daves article


first off: Someone needs to re-take English class, and NOT fall asleep this time.

second: I learned everything I could by read articles and books on the subject. Dave's article is a good startingpoint for most people. I've also spent 2 years building guiar effects (including etching my own pc boards.)


and the exception to the above statement about SM is the BBE range of "maximizers" which work using phase/delay, not harmonics (ala Aphex)
I have a BBE (gen 3) maximizer on my bass pre-amp. I never use it.