Differences between Deep and Future House?

[Inferno]

Hey guys

Im listening to more non electro house and im getting a bit confused with genre and what differentiates them...

What is the primary difference between future house (e.g. Bondax) and deep house (e.g. shadowchild) im just using UK producers as they are the ones i know best, sorry if they aren't as well known.

Oh also tech house (like eats everything)?

Cheers for any help!

[Mahatma Coat]

Never heard of future house, but deep house is er, deep.

Usually around 110-120 BPM, lots of bass, often quite melodic; you've also got a difference between US/Detroit/NYC etc. deep house like Rick Wade/Omar-S and European deep house which often has a 'cleaner' production sound.

Tech house is simply house with a techier sound, often around 120-130bpm, but not so techy it becomes techno.

[Inferno]

thanks yea i listen to some more tech house and saw the difference, i didnt like it.

Deep house i kinda get but then its the spring offs, future house, UK Jackin House etc are all a bit confusing to me which elements vary, i think it may be a baseline thing... guess ill wait for some further responses.

heres a future house example:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WVfL6fDFBI

[Mahatma Coat]

To be honest mate I really wouldn't give a damn about genre tags and just listen to the music you like.

If you're bothered about genres because you get your music from Beatport then you'd be better off searching for the tunes you want using artist and label name searches. Beatport's genre tagging system is all fucked up anyway.

[Inferno]

To be honest mate I really wouldn't give a damn about genre tags and just listen to the music you like.

If you're bothered about genres because you get your music from Beatport then you'd be better off searching for the tunes you want using artist and label name searches. Beatport's genre tagging system is all fucked up anyway.

not the reason, im a producer and im getting more into house so I wanted to know the classification elements out of interest.

[Mahatma Coat]

Well I certainly wouldn't produce tracks to fit a specific genre, what's the point in doing that?

Just do your thing and if you get lucky some ponce of a music journalist will have to invent a whole new genre tag for you = winning.

[Inferno]

Well I certainly wouldn't produce tracks to fit a specific genre, what's the point in doing that?

Just do your thing and if you get lucky some ponce of a music journalist will have to invent a whole new genre tag for you = winning.

i dont know if your a producer but it helps to know what genre your making so you get the right sorts of sounds and characteristics. Anyway, I just want to know the difference, not a debate on limitations of genre.

Thanks anyway

[Finnish_Fox]

I guess what Mahatma is trying to imply is to make a track that sounds good to you since a track will often cross multiple sub-genres. I play jackin' funky house but there are certainly tracks that would fit a deep or tech set. Not everything is so black and white.

You have the sub-genres listed out. You are starting to know what you like and don't like. Implement the elements you like and don't implement the ones you don't. I think you are the one that is concerned with the limitations (aka characteristics) of specific genres and making sure something fits into a prescribed box when it's really about bringing your own sound to a production.

[Inferno]

I guess what Mahatma is trying to imply is to make a track that sounds good to you since a track will often cross multiple sub-genres. I play jackin' funky house but there are certainly tracks that would fit a deep or tech set. Not everything is so black and white.

You have the sub-genres listed out. You are starting to know what you like and don't like. Implement the elements you like and don't implement the ones you don't. I think you are the one that is concerned with the limitations (aka characteristics) of specific genres when it's really about bringing your own sound to a production.

its not so much that i just want to know the differences that lead to their classifications. disregard everything and i just wanted definitions of what the differences are.

[Finnish_Fox]

I typically think of house as funky and deep in terms of main sub-genre and, at an extreme, they are reasonably different. I think of Jackin' as being a slightly harder, less nu-disco style of funky house. it can be a bit "glitchy" in the way producers chop their samples.

[Finnish_Fox]

Are you looking for words that explain the differences or are you looking for examples?

[Inferno]

Are you looking for words that explain the differences or are you looking for examples?

well i guess in terms of the track elements, for example i notice some use short stab basslines like plucks and some are using constant tone bass and percussion varies etc. just interested in how they fit the names.

[Finnish_Fox]

If I had to guess, that depends a lot on the producers themselves outside the main elements that make something funky house.. Different strokes for different folks.

For example, kinky movement and inland knights use a lot of similar elements which are quite different from Da Sunlounge or Sonny Fodera.

[Mahatma Coat]

The differences aren't actually all that big between genres for the most part, its just the way a variety of elements come together which leads to one track falling into one genre or another; even the most informed music heads will argue for hours over whether a song fits into one such genre or another, its kind of pointless. As FF says, most tracks simultaneously sit in multiple genres at once.

A good question to illustrate this could be: does Andy Stott, a Mancunian producer, make techno, deep house or dubstep? He uses loads harsh techno sound palettes, deep house tempos and dub-step style sub bass led rhythm structures. We could argue all day over which genre Stott's music fits into, but does it really matter? It just sounds wicked, and totally unlike anything else out there.

As for the production thing I'm on my way, but if Andy Stott had sat down one day and said to himself, "now what are the elements that make a deep house record because I want to make/not make one", he would never had come up with the wonderful hybrid mutant form of music he makes now.

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[Inferno]

The differences aren't actually all that big between genres for the most part, its just the way a variety of elements come together which leads to one track falling into one genre or another; even the most informed music heads will argue for hours over whether a song fits into one such genre or another, its kind of pointless. As FF says, most tracks simultaneously sit in multiple genres at once.

A good question to illustrate this could be: does Andy Stott, a Mancunian producer, make techno, deep house or dubstep? He uses loads harsh techno sound palettes, deep house tempos and dub-step style sub bass led rhythm structures. We could argue all day over which genre Stott's music fits into, but does it really matter? It just sounds wicked, and totally unlike anything else out there.

As for the production thing I'm on my way, but if Andy Stott had sat down one day and said to himself, "now what are the elements that make a deep house record because I want to make/not make one", he would never had come up with the wonderful hybrid mutant form of music he makes now.

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ah i dont really get anything from that track i thought my volume was super low but its just a bassline and a kick?

examples i have are...

techhouse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEjn4KyvJZM

deephouse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E9SlPOUsKA

futurehouse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwwT94p3rg

i just cant quite differentiate deep and future clearly, tech is obviously more hard hitting techno instruments

[Mahatma Coat]

I agree that Eats Everything is tech house, but the other two sound pretty similar in terms of sound to me.

Also, I have never ever in fifteen years of listening to electronic music heard of anything called future house.

What you refer to as future house, sounds to my ears like a poppy version of UK Bass.

Tech house:

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Deep house:

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poppier/lighter end of UK Bass (future house??)

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[Inferno]

yea dusky is future house. its the more pop mainstream version, disclosure etc. kinda more future garage influenced.