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Sense of Life
11-16-2012, 09:53 PM
Hey all

Recently I have been attempting to improve my mixing to get into larger venues in my local city. While consulting with a more experienced colleague of mine, we stumbled upon the topic of harmonic mixing. Turns out it is no easy task and we have been doing a lot of the harmonic mixing by ear alone, as well as trial and error, and remembering how each transition sounds like. So, I did some google'in and found Mixed in Key and what not. What mixed in key taught me was to easily harmonically mix in a step by step guide found here. (http://www.mixedinkey.com/HowTo) Using the Camelot key really simplified things, provided you own the software. Being low on cash, I decided to look for alternatives. I stumbled upon Rapid Evolution 3, but being out of development for over a year now (I am assuming since the last news update was last year in June), I found the program to be buggy and a general clusterf***. However I recently found Trainspotter 2. A very cheap and easy to use, and most importantly STABLE program that detects keys quite nicely. It was designed for use in combination with Traktor so for all of us Digital DJs a hooray is appropriate. However all of you analog lovers and vinyl diehards this is still a viable choice. It was designed to tag CD rips and recordings of Vinyls to make the ID3 tagging easier. Trainspotter also works with iTunes, so do not fret. However there is a catch (As to be expected). The Key detection function is limited to 20 songs per start-up and can be removed by donating 6 Pounds. Fair deal right? One drawback however is that it only allows Key analyzing when using playlists, making it difficult to get some analysis done without a license as well as limiting your organization preference. Setting the Keys to Camelot Key must be done manually, however it is quite easily done. The easymix wheel (http://www.harmonic-mixing.com/Images/camelotSmall.jpg) shows what each number stands for.

Personally I found Trainspotter to be the best alternative to Mixed in Key and its development is a lot more transparent than Mixed in Key. Making it probably even more reliable.

Resource links:
Mixed in key can be found here (http://www.mixedinkey.com), Rapid Evolution 3 here (http://www.mixshare.com/wiki/doku.php?id=re3_installation), and Trainspotter here (http://www.tspotter.net/).

Happy mixing and live mashup'in.
Questions comments? Post em!
Cheers
-Sense of Life

Manu
11-17-2012, 03:20 AM
http://www.djforums.com/forums/showthread.php?11377-Beyond-Beatmatching&highlight=Harmonic+Mixing

http://www.djforums.com/forums/showthread.php?15573-Harmonic-Mixing



http://i47.tinypic.com/yic5c.jpg

Sense of Life
11-17-2012, 05:13 AM
http://i47.tinypic.com/yic5c.jpg

It is not a re-post nor a redundant matter. This my dear friend tells you what resources you can use, and its alternatives, to harmonically mix.
This saves people a lot of time searching.
I doubt you even read the post properly?

Manu
11-17-2012, 08:31 PM
Nevermind doubts, there are two other mix in key threads currently sitting on top of the general forums. The redundant consensus still being about using your ears instead of using "stable" software with " a catch (as to be expected)" that may ask you for a donation or cause problems at some point. The other downside is that of the software removing the human element of chance by not telling you what would fit regardless of keys.


This is nothing you can't already do with your ears.

Sense of Life
11-18-2012, 05:04 AM
Nevermind doubts, there are two other mix in key threads currently sitting on top of the general forums. The redundant consensus still being about using your ears instead of using "stable" software with " a catch (as to be expected)" that may ask you for a donation or cause problems at some point. The other downside is that of the software removing the human element of chance by not telling you what would fit regardless of keys.

I doubt you are actually removing the human element to it. You work within the system and when you detect an error you can pretty quickly figure out what song has been miss analyzed. Yes it is a lot better to find the Key manually, however not all of us had music theory nor do we (I am assuming since my song collection is 5k+ songs) have the time to sit down and make sure we are mixing correctly.

Call me butthurt, but this still may be a useful thread.

Manu
11-18-2012, 05:22 AM
I'm talking about the exact opposite: musical items that will not be highlighted by the computer because of being analysed as out of key. As in element of "chance". At that point, music theory is irrelevant. That said, learning the camelot wheel is learning essential music theory, especially if your aim is to mix in key. Be careful not to pigeon hole yourself with the latter.


nor do we (I am assuming since my song collection is 5k+ songs) have the time to sit down and make sure we are mixing correctly.

To be a better DJ, it is essential to learn your music inside out, instead of relying on technology that will hinder your skill progression. Sitting down and make sure you are mixing correctly is essential in making the difference between DJs and those who are still in the early stages of mixing hot water and coffee. Last time I checked, you can't do a proper set if you don't know the content.

Sense of Life
11-18-2012, 03:27 PM
Fine I give up. Should I delete this topic for redundancy, or just go ahead and leave it so people do take note of this anyway? Your call.

Jimanee
11-19-2012, 05:33 AM
Well it looks like a standard mixed in key thread, but the inclusion of trainspotter does make it different.

@ Manu, I have done proper sets without knowing the content, using only the camelot wheel thingy and made it work, this was back in the South African House/ Kwaito days where I couldn't really read the names of the tunes.

I use harmonic info every week, because I play and mix requests, many of which I'm unfamiliar with and I need to order the sequence of them ahead of time, I'd rather not do that blindly, especially not for 5 hours.

IMO RE2 is the only real solution to the complexities caused by large digital collections. Knowing the key of your tracks is part of knowing your tunes.

Manu
11-19-2012, 06:27 AM
Sorry if I may have sounded harsh. I come from the school where you learn your music before the gig. It can come in handy when a laptop crashes on you, which happened to a few persons I know. You have a fair point though about the requests problem. Do you buy your music on demand during gigs then, or people still turn up with flash drives and CDs? I still have some apprehension about that because I had my fair share of tight canoots turning up with youtube 128kbps rips.



I'd rather not do that blindly,

Use your ears instead :P

Now all that said,....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=turTMfzxkeY

Sense of Life
11-21-2012, 04:59 PM
Use your ears instead :P

Not everyone has perfect pitch, or is talented enough/skilled enough to figure it out from just listening to a few seconds of a track that was requested a minute ago and your transition is due in 2 minutes. I experienced this with a colleague of mine. He always gets song requests, and usually he will have em (people come to the same venue and want the same songs), so it isn't always necessary, but sometimes he just doesn't know and would rather check. Also to those who aren't that good with figuring it out, let alone memorizing the tracks and transitions, this is a way of keeping track of things and adding a sense of security to your mixing.

Also Trainspotter does a hell of a lot of sweet ass housekeeping that makes organizing stuff with Traktor really easy.

Manu
11-22-2012, 12:23 AM
Fair point, still the thing is that you should practise if you want to get better at it, exactly like you remove the little wheels after you know how to ride your first bike. Be careful about relying on computers, purely because of what happens when you don't have one :tup:

This is currently being discussed here:http://www.djforums.com/forums/showthread.php?17127-Promoter-bans-Traktor

(that said, I'm playing on a traktor setup this weekend and I haven't practised any of the music I have. dear oh dear am I going to hell on this one)

Sense of Life
12-05-2012, 01:55 PM
Here is a screenshot of Trainspotter in use.
It organizes quite nicely.
http://i45.tinypic.com/yclfo.png