Skrillex wins 3 Grammys

[Giran]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/zackomalleygreenburg/2012/02/12/skrillex-has-already-won-three-grammys/

Discuss. :D

[John Veselsky]

:facepalm:

Just my opinion though.

[Interracial Tea]

Good for him.

[Andrew B]

The 24-year-old DJ

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according to industry insiders, the DJ earns roughly $100,000 per night to spin at nightclubs. He performed 150 shows in 2011 and figures to make the Forbes Celeb 100 this spring.



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[DJ ArmanB]

The people like what the people like I guess, I have no problems with the guy. I like some of his stuff.

[djkyle]

Yeah baby im happy for him one of my favorite artists of all time.

[oMar]

http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/uploads/gallery/1285711524/gallery_35942_10875_10646215324ca4a4ac79d1b.gif

[unknown00]

cha ching

[Dantron]

Who cares?

[drop1]

Props on the Grammys but no one should make 15 mil a year djing. Period.

[DJNR]

After I saw the Forbes article posted on facebook, I came here to see what other DJs thought :ninja:

[Interracial Tea]

Props on the Grammys but no one should make 15 mil a year djing. Period.

Tell that to Tiesto. http://i.imgur.com/vDtPk.gif

[thehadgi]

better invest that money wisely, cuz he won't be bringin in that much $ after 6-7 years... :lol: good for him though

[RINIFLeX]

Merrrrggg......

Good for him, but still, his live shows lack any skill or effort.

[DeadPhr0g]

Dude's on a path. He smokes 10 cartons a day. His face reflects it. He will die a young age, at which time Dubstep will take over the world. Seriously.

[Proverbs]

I love Skrillex.

Good for him.

[The Baxter]

bangarang is a dope tune. helps unlock beast mode at the gym.

[login]

This just shows that grammy's are about good music.

[Hygro]

100,000?

I thought that was like, Oakenfold money on NYE in 2000?

[AbstractQuality]

This just shows that grammy's are about good music.

:teef:

[Gnozis]

I've never understood the Skrillex hate. I know dubstep isn't for everyone, but his production is phenomenal.

[Jason Cerna]

100,000?

I thought that was like, Oakenfold money on NYE in 2000?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/fashion/a-200000-a-night-dj-known-as-kaskade-is-really-ryan-raddon-a-mormon.html?pagewanted=all

[AbstractQuality]

I've never understood the Skrillex hate. I know dubstep isn't for everyone, but his production is phenomenal.

It has more to do with the direction he brought dubstep than with him himself.

[Paulie65m]

"We don't watch Grammys at my house. I don't need some corporate sponsored Award show to tell me what music I'm supposed to think is the best" - RA the Rugged Man
I totally agree with him.. Grammys nothing

[a-mart]

Props on the Grammys but no one should make 15 mil a year djing. Period.

I hate when people say things like this. No one can say someone should or shouldn't make what they are. If they weren't "worth" this, they wouldn't be payed it.

[bernardgregory]

some people like him some dont.

some people like him cause they admire him. some people hate him cause they admire him.

o well

[RINIFLeX]

I've never understood the Skrillex hate. I know dubstep isn't for everyone, but his production is phenomenal.

Its got nothing to do with dubstep as a genre. His production, is far from phenomenal regarding song structure and building tension.

[Hygro]

I think his production is really solid, and admit it, the first time you heard the drop on Scary Monsters Nice Sprites you were like "damn". He's not my fave but he's good at what he does, and I think recognizing him as the stand-in for the current wave of popular dance music is very reasonable.

[John Veselsky]

I hate when people say things like this. No one can say someone should or shouldn't make what they are. If they weren't "worth" this, they wouldn't be payed it.

IMO he isn't, he's simply appealing to the lowest common denominator. Anyone can do that, I'm not saying his production skills aren't superb (which they are). A lot of what happens with how music becomes popular has to do with the society as well. If you look at American's we want everything NOW. Not tomorrow or the day after, but NOW. We also seem to have anger problems for one reason or another.

If you ask a dub head (?..lol) what is the most important part of the song most of them will say the drop. The sooner the drop comes the happier they are. It almost seems as though the DnB parts of the song(s) could almost be totally phased out and they wouldn't mind a single bit. Also if you look at what is popular in America in general, you will see that more forms of rock and aggressive music have a good chunk of the popularity besides the rewashed top 40.

PS: I've yet to hear a delightful or uplifting or happy go lucky Dubstep song yet. I have heard some good ambient Dubstep though.

TLDR(?): In other words it the popularity of Dubstep in America was inevitable.

[thehadgi]

^^ the drop part is right on... this obsession with 'the drop', and everything being about bass is kind of ridiculous. it's a phase, it'll pass and we'll probably get back to having stadium reverb on everything likes 80's rock :lol:

[Hygro]

IMO he isn't, he's simply appealing to the lowest common denominator. Anyone can do that, I'm not saying his production skills aren't superb (which they are). A lot of what happens with how music becomes popular has to do with the society as well. If you look at American's we want everything NOW. Not tomorrow or the day after, but NOW. We also seem to have anger problems for one reason or another.

If you ask a dub head (?..lol) what is the most important part of the song most of them will say the drop. The sooner the drop comes the happier they are. It almost seems as though the DnB parts of the song(s) could almost be totally phased out and they wouldn't mind a single bit. Also if you look at what is popular in America in general, you will see that more forms of rock and aggressive music have a good chunk of the popularity besides the rewashed top 40.

PS: I've yet to hear a delightful or uplifting or happy go lucky Dubstep song yet. I have heard some good ambient Dubstep though.

TLDR(?): In other words it the popularity of Dubstep in America was inevitable.
Well first off, your first paragraph completely agrees with a-mart. So you might think you're arguing but you aren't.

Second however, is that notion that "anyone can do it". Do you really believe that? If that were true every audio engineer would be rich and famous. It takes luck or genius to create a slew of hyper popular music. Maybe everyone has the potential inside them, but it's not a matter of having the production skills and then appealing to the common denominator. A million and one well produced, mainstream, major-label pop songs every year manage to never even hit the radio let alone make more than a couple thousand sales. It's difficult, and those who can do it consistently have a very special knack for it that few possess.

[Interracial Tea]

Well first off, your first paragraph completely agrees with a-mart. So you might think you're arguing but you aren't.

Second however, is that notion that "anyone can do it". Do you really believe that? If that were true every audio engineer would be rich and famous. It takes luck or genius to create a slew of hyper popular music. Maybe everyone has the potential inside them, but it's not a matter of having the production skills and then appealing to the common denominator. A million and one well produced, mainstream, major-label pop songs every year manage to never even hit the radio let alone make more than a couple thousand sales. It's difficult, and those who can do it consistently have a very special knack for it that few possess.
I was going to bring up this same argument. God damn you. :argh:

[Nick Bike]

w/e. it's coming from an awards show who gave a memorial to Steve Jobs but not for Etta James or Don Cornelius.

[John Veselsky]

Well first off, your first paragraph completely agrees with a-mart. So you might think you're arguing but you aren't.

Second however, is that notion that "anyone can do it". Do you really believe that? If that were true every audio engineer would be rich and famous. It takes luck or genius to create a slew of hyper popular music. Maybe everyone has the potential inside them, but it's not a matter of having the production skills and then appealing to the common denominator. A million and one well produced, mainstream, major-label pop songs every year manage to never even hit the radio let alone make more than a couple thousand sales. It's difficult, and those who can do it consistently have a very special knack for it that few possess.

You may want to reread the first paragraph then.

I do believe that anyone can do it. With enough determination, and knowledge.

Also once you have one very large hit song that catches a lot of attention its just a matter of putting out a record to keep a lot of that hype up. You must of course have very distinguishable sound though.

I will concede the matter of luck to you though. He managed to pop up at the right time. He's no where near Beethoven or Mozart though.

Top 40's is a totally different game.

[Hygro]

What's to reread? That a lot has to do with society? Doesn't that just mean it takes a special brilliance to match music with society? There are lots of knowledgeable people, lots of determined people who work at music for 20 years and never make it. Maybe they didn't have the "right" knowledge. But doesn't that mean that those who come by the right knowledge and don't bother with the red-herring knowledge are special?

[gjb1969]

who cares!!!

[djkvg]

good for him!! should be less hate... regardless if you don't like his production, he's doing big things and you're not lol. envy turns into jealously =P . i would love to be in his position :D

[Nawzlew]

Really enjoy Skrillex.

Congrats to him!

[Gnozis]

w/e. it's coming from an awards show who gave a memorial to Steve Jobs but not for Etta James or Don Cornelius.

They sang one of her songs to pay tribute to her.....

[epik1]

I don't believe he "spins" anything lol "cueing buttons to press to make $100k a night" should be more like it lol. but good for him.

[Pavin]

Hahaha once again the Grammy's delivers hilarity

[thehadgi]

I wonder what actors think of the oscars... Prob same thing right? Ha

[PONTUS.2]

w/e. it's coming from an awards show who gave a memorial to Steve Jobs but not for Etta James or Don Cornelius.

this interests me for some reason

regarding skrillex, i got absolutely no problem with him. i personally am not into his music. respect due though. dude is successful

[login]

This also shows how much the people that award grammys know about EDM. I dont consider must labels dedicated to EDM and some of the experimental sides of it to be part of the "music industry" (now only 3 big corps).

Over the years I think there have been some pop music that deserves "awards" bur overall the grammy's and Oscar's are marketing gimmicks.

[Nick Bike]

watch justice win "best new artist" next year

[funkyfresh]

Well deserved. Congrats skrillex

[NPC]

Dude's on a path. He smokes 10 cartons a day. His face reflects it. He will die a young age, at which time Dubstep will also die. Seriously.

You made a typo there, I fixed it for ya.

That said I have nothing against him. He's apparently a nice guy and comes up with decent enough melodies. If anything it's fun to see a dubstep artist at the grammy's.


"We don't watch Grammys at my house. I don't need some corporate sponsored Award show to tell me what music I'm supposed to think is the best" - RA the Rugged Man
I totally agree with him.. Grammys nothing

Though I agree, I watched a bit of it. You know, for the commercials.

[Interracial Tea]

Duck Sauce didn't win. http://i.imgur.com/LCQl7.png

[Hygro]

Duck Sauce is great and has the best music video, but lets face it, looping disco and putting house beats under them is hardly a game changer.


edit: the d and the f are awfully close.

[Interracial Tea]

But that's exactly why I wanted them to win (i'm not kidding). It would have been hilarious to hear that two guys won a Grammy for looping a sample for four minutes.

[Smallz]

The Grammys have always confused me. When do they start accepting nominations for songs/albums? Because Skrillex's "Scary Monsters..." was made in 2010 (same goes for Kanye West's "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy"), but this show was for 2011.

With that said, how the hell did Bon Iver even get nominated for best new artist?

[jay melis]

What's really sad is that bt was nominated last year and has done so much more for electronic music then skrillex ever will and lost :(.

[Andrew B]

I wonder what actors think of the oscars... Prob same thing right? Ha

No, not really. If the Oscars worked like the Grammys, then movies like Transformers would take home Best Picture.

[Marc S]

^^ this

[David Bowman]

Good for him, he didn't find it inside a fortune cookie since he worked for years before getting an award. I'm not impressed by his live stuff (button pushing 101) but his music is solid enough to appeal to an audience. I'd rather have him getting the award instead of david goota...

He should stop smoking like a dragon or his success might end up being short lived.

[Windows 95]

I hate when people say things like this. No one can say someone should or shouldn't make what they are. If they weren't "worth" this, they wouldn't be payed it.Not to get too political, but I'm a strong supporter of maximum wage laws. So I strongly disagree with your notion that nobody can say someone shouldn't make too much money.

Myself personally I think there should be a national salary cap of 100 times the salary of the lowest paid individuals in the country. Currently the federal minimum wage in the United States is $7.25 per hour. So in my opinion, if we want to have such a ridiculously low minimum wage in this country. There should be a maximum wage of $725 per hour. (Or about $1.5 million per year. / $725 x 40 x 52 = $1,508,000)

[The Blackest]

I hate Skrillex's music. That said I'm glad that he took home 3 Grammys. Personally I think its good that some form of EDM in America is getting recognized. Its to the point where I'll take what I can get.

About how much he makes, one of my friends in Vegas booked him for a show for about $8k. Unfortunately, a promoter that works for the casino found out that he was coming to town and offered him $75k to come play at his event instead on the same night. Guess which show he played at. Honestly at the end of the day its about the $$. There is no 401k in this industry. I'm not saying do this for the money, but if this is something that you are good at and all you have going for yourself, capitalize on it. I know damn well if I was in his shoes I'd be doing the same thing. My dogs gotta eat. I will say that I'd probably be making proper music under an alias though.

[BuddyUK]

Talented artist like him deserves the recognition :facepalm:

[Ferryman]

I dont mind him really.... lol

[BuddyUK]

his success might end up being short lived.

Might? Don't hate the guy but Caspa and Rusko dug the grave this guy just shoveled the dirt on it.

[Hygro]

Might? Don't hate the guy but Caspa and Rusko dug the grave this guy just shoveled the dirt on it.

Or Caspa and Rusko built the thrown in which he reigns for eternity. That logic goes either way, yeah?

[BuddyUK]

Or Caspa and Rusko built the thrown in which he reigns for eternity. That logic goes either way, yeah?

Ever go to FWD back in the day? Ever shop in Apple records when it was open? Buy much Dubstep vinyl in the mid 2000's? Look at where Croydon is on a map, then look where Crawley is don't try and tell me about dubstep lad, DUBSTEP IS THE NEW TRANCE, the underground music, that become a genre, then become a dirty word. I severely hope you are just trying to troll me lad.

[Hygro]

Ever go to FWD back in the day? Ever shop in Apple records when it was open? Buy much Dubstep vinyl in the mid 2000's? Look at where Croydon is on a map, then look where Crawley is don't try and tell me about dubstep lad, DUBSTEP IS THE NEW TRANCE, the underground music, that become a genre, then become a dirty word. I severely hope you are just trying to troll me lad.
It's rare when someone misses his own point, but good sir I believe you have done just that :P

You say Skrillex is temporary because Rusko and Caspa immortalized dubstep. But even using your trance analogy, Skrillex is the Tiesto of dubstep. And last I checked, Tiesto is still the reigning king of trance (even if Armin's got an edge, presently--specifically that Tiesto doesn't actually make trance anymore). Trance didn't actually die when it became a dirty word, despite my claim in the other thread. Rather it matured. The underground treats dubstep like a dirty word, but that's because it has grown into something bigger. And this empire is ruled by Skrillex, and if trance is our guide, will continue to be rule the genre for longer than it existed before his ascent to stardom. Rusko and Caspa are Philip II of Macedon. They built an army, their educated their heirs, and they carved a kingdom. Then Alexander the Great took over.


P.S. I'm not particularly a Skrillex fan or detractor. He's overall a fairly meh musician to me. Had some hits, whatever.

[al_mcd]

well deserved IMO.....anyone else think it was funny that deadmau5 wore a t-shirt with skrillex's phone number on the front? hahaha

[DJ Weatherman]

but its not dubstep.

[jaytoh]

$100,000 really?! I always thought Benga & Skream were the highest paid (apparently 7K)

Fair play to Skrillex though. I personally don't like his music but he's just got himself 3 grammys.

Again can't see why he is mentioning Dub Police? I think he was on wikipedia on his phone will he was making that speech! Anyone who knows about dubstep would of been saying labels like Big Apple, DMZ or even Tempa. Dub Police are a big label but theres not really that many great track on the label in comparison with other's.

[BuddyUK]

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr154/bud1uk/YOBA_PEGI_BATYA.png

Not even taking the bait pal :mad:

[Chay]

Ever go to FWD back in the day? Ever shop in Apple records when it was open? Buy much Dubstep vinyl in the mid 2000's? Look at where Croydon is on a map, then look where Crawley is don't try and tell me about dubstep lad, DUBSTEP IS THE NEW TRANCE, the underground music, that become a genre, then become a dirty word. I severely hope you are just trying to troll me lad.

Dubstep isn't the new trance... It's the new Top40 :P

[Hygro]

BuddyUK: Doooo it :devil:

ps not quite top40 yet. Dubstep influences and dubstep interludes abound, not quite a top40 genre even if some songs have literally reached top40

[Ferryman]

Gross, isn't it.

[moyo wilde]

the grammy people seemed really lazy this year. adele pretty much took pop, bon iver; indie, foo fighters; rock, kanye; rap. throw in cee lo and chris brown, and corine bailey done. that coulda been a twenty minute press conference.

[Adzm00]

I don't care for him at all, his music is horrible and so is his face.

I am not surprised he got an award from an American music/recording award ceremony, you guys lap up terrible stuff.

[Skeyelab]

I voted for him in 2 of the 5 categories he was nominated in.

I have been a voting member for years, so am totally open to answering any questions anyone may have regarding the grammy process.

[The Blackest]

I don't care for him at all, his music is horrible and so is his face.

I am not surprised he got an award from an American music/recording award ceremony, you guys lap up terrible stuff.

LOL you say that like its EVERY american's fault the music is bad here.

[Smallz]

I voted for him in 2 of the 5 categories he was nominated in.

I have been a voting member for years, so am totally open to answering any questions anyone may have regarding the grammy process.

can you answer my question that sorta went unnoticed a couple of pages ago?


The Grammys have always confused me. When do they start accepting nominations for songs/albums? Because Skrillex's "Scary Monsters..." was made in 2010 (same goes for Kanye West's "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy"), but this show was for 2011.

With that said, how the hell did Bon Iver even get nominated for best new artist?

[Somedj]

can you answer my question that sorta went unnoticed a couple of pages ago?

I dont think anyone can answer that question... Bon who? LoL.

As for Skrillex, I enjoy a few of his tracks. As was stated before, not really into his live stuff. Additionally, I wouldnt classify button pushing and knob dicking as a "DJ" performance. I think he puts on a good "show" per say. But, thats about it. I do, however, give him credit for what he has accomplished... thats a helluva feat. Getting a few grammys for wob wob wob, is interesting. But, I dunno... it kind of floors me to know that he now sports the same trophy as Sinatra and Bennett (granted they are different categories, but....)

[Skeyelab]

the "year" is from June - June. Initial nominations are due in June. The first round of voting concludes in October, where every voting member selects 5 nominations for each award. then the final round of voting is due in early January.

Regarding best new artist, the official guidelines are as follows: "For a new artist who releases, during the Eligibility Year, the first recording which establishes the public identity of that artist." Note that this is not necessarily the first album released by an artist.

[Smallz]

the "year" is from June - June. Initial nominations are due in June. The first round of voting concludes in October, where every voting member selects 5 nominations for each award. then the final round of voting is due in early January.

Regarding best new artist, the official guidelines are as follows: "For a new artist who releases, during the Eligibility Year, the first recording which establishes the public identity of that artist." Note that this is not necessarily the first album released by an artist.

So, to make sure I'm reading it correctly, the Grammy nominations this year are based on releases from June 2010 to June 2011?

Also, I know the the award show is subjective, but "establishes the public identity of that artist" is a very interesting piece of criteria for something with a title of Best New Artist. Perhaps the category should have a slightly different name?

[Adzm00]

LOL you say that like its EVERY american's fault the music is bad here.

Obviously I am not blaming EVERY American for that.

But generalising American culture as (as we Europeans do, and as you Americans do us) less brains more guns approach, the lowest common denominator seems to certainly have a large appeal.

That is not to say we don't have our fair share of idiotic "awards" for the likes of votes going to Kelly clarkson, Atomic Kitten, Busted and a number of other bands an artists that the public at large consider "talented".
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Certainly wubble wubble is popular with the children over here, and while I am not a fan of it myself, there are some tracks I think are good (as there are in every genre). However, Skrillex is to wubble wubble, what Scooter is to techno. :freak:

[djdavidvaux]

huge skrillex fan. but lets be real, from a EDM production standpoint, Kaskade's album this year should have won hands down.

[FireyFate]

This has probably been gone over by a lot of people, but I just started reading this thread and I gotta stop and acknowledge this right here.


IMO he isn't, he's simply appealing to the lowest common denominator. Anyone can do that, I'm not saying his production skills aren't superb (which they are). A lot of what happens with how music becomes popular has to do with the society as well. If you look at American's we want everything NOW. Not tomorrow or the day after, but NOW.


If you really believe this, then what is stopping you from spending a couple of years doing the same and making 15 million dollars? You are just too evolved for that?

Man, that 15 mil would really enable you to do some great things for the world. Why not get rich real quick, THEN put that money in to your super meaningful music... music so much better than what these pop stars make!

Or even just straight donate the money to whatever cause you prefer. That would leave a much bigger impact on the world than most people could ever hope to bring.



We also seem to have anger problems for one reason or another ... PS: I've yet to hear a delightful or uplifting or happy go lucky Dubstep song yet. I have heard some good ambient Dubstep though.


So what? Some people listen to angry music all the time and are some of the nicest people I've met. When I was a bit younger and going through my "pissed at the world" phase, angry music was a good outlet of that hormonal energy. Seems pretty common... and there are technical aspects of that music that can be enjoyed after.

[Ferryman]

Dubstep is angry, jump up d&b raves are angry

[uncut69]

dubstep is awesome, its what made me get into djing and production. but skrillex kind of ruined it in multiple ways, screw that guy

[Skeyelab]

So, to make sure I'm reading it correctly, the Grammy nominations this year are based on releases from June 2010 to June 2011?




You are correct.

[Adzm00]

Kaskade's album this year should have won hands down.

:lol:

:facepalm:

[Claude Perdu]

Just popping in to post a related pic from when the board was down.

http://i.imgur.com/ean4F.jpg

[uncut69]

an embarrassment for pre-skrillex dubstep fans everywhere

[LeFresh]

I don't care for award shows or dubstep..
Congrats to that dood.
Who cares how much money he makes anyway. Are you expecting to get some of it?

[The Blackest]

:lol:

:facepalm:

X2.


Jesus.

[epik1]

Just popping in to post a related pic from when the board was down.

http://i.imgur.com/ean4F.jpg

face-palmin all ova the worldd...-_-..stupid kids dunno the Aphex.

[Andrew B]

I dont think anyone can answer that question... Bon who? LoL.

His point was that Bon Iver has been releasing music since 2008 and was nominated (and won) for Best New Artist. Seems to happen a lot at the Grammys.

Nick made a related joke earlier in the thread:


watch justice win "best new artist" next year

[Atomisk]

His point was that Bon Iver has been releasing music since 2008 and was nominated (and won) for Best New Artist. Seems to happen a lot at the Grammys.

Nick made a related joke earlier in the thread:

Eh, awards shows are always crazy like that. I want to say Wolfgang Gartner was nominated for "best new artist" at the IDMA's or something, but he's been producing for what? 18 years?. It makes sense.

[DJNR]

Best "new artists" as in artists that American record companies finally discover + acknowledge. :lol:

[RDRCK]

I'm just going to leave this here...

http://christwire.org/2012/02/skrillex-uses-satanic-and-homosexual-influence-to-win-grammys/

[Kingbob182]

I dont mind seeing skrillex win these awards. If someone said he's a great DJ, I'd be like fuck off. But I think he deserves more credit for producing than DJF gives him. Cant be easy to smash so many sounds together on key and sound like it was supposed to go together from the beginning

[Atomisk]

Best "new artists" as in artists that American record companies finally discover + acknowledge. :lol:
^This. And I mean it makes sense. You can't really go around giving grammys to people who have been making music for 6 months and are one hit wonders. They should change the title to something more like "New major player in the industry".

[Kingbob182]

I'm just going to leave this here...

http://christwire.org/2012/02/skrillex-uses-satanic-and-homosexual-influence-to-win-grammys/

lol'd hard

[Giran]

I'm just going to leave this here...

http://christwire.org/2012/02/skrillex-uses-satanic-and-homosexual-influence-to-win-grammys/

Literally cried after laughing so hard at that! :lol:

[DJNR]

Literally cried after laughing so hard at that! :lol:

Such a funny website and article. Some people don't pick up that it's a satirical site though...

[aleksvanrohrer]

I would give him credit if he actually deserved it. Have any of you seen his live shows? the number of times he manages to mess up blows my mind considering he comes from a "musical" background and was in a band. Not to mention that he at some point lost a whole album because of a laptop? I thought everyone in the music industry knew to back up their files (I know this is old news).

[Eddie]

I'm just going to leave this here...

http://christwire.org/2012/02/skrillex-uses-satanic-and-homosexual-influence-to-win-grammys/

Wow just wow lol.

[DjKolega]

I think 100k is slightly inflated.. Probably closer to 25k... I do admire the guy, he did start a new fave of EDM. the glitch electro, big bass and beat mashing isnt exactly new, but he did make it mainstream, and everyone is eating it up!

[k4hn]

http://i.imgur.com/ean4F.jpg


:facepalm:


I really hope that's a photoshop job.































































































































:facepalm:

[Andrew B]

It is a photoshop, but the comments are real. They were just rearranged (look at the dates).

[Ocie]

I'm just going to leave this here...

http://christwire.org/2012/02/skrillex-uses-satanic-and-homosexual-influence-to-win-grammys/

christwire makes me lol so hard. i love a good satire.

[DJNR]

christwire makes me lol so hard. i love a good satire.

The Onion!

[Ocie]

The Onion!

i do enjoy reading the onion. what made me enjoy christwire was an article they had on bill murray, found here:

http://christwire.org/2010/07/boycott-bill-murray-for-a-better-america/

[moyo wilde]

So, to make sure I'm reading it correctly, the Grammy nominations this year are based on releases from June 2010 to June 2011?

Also, I know the the award show is subjective, but "establishes the public identity of that artist" is a very interesting piece of criteria for something with a title of Best New Artist. Perhaps the category should have a slightly different name?

they had to change the rules. i just read where because of the old rules, first recording whitney wasn't eligible for her first album, because she did a duet with luther vandross a year or two before. plus look at somebody like the weeknd, if when he does a label/real release he will actually be at least his third 4th lp, but i think he should still be eligible for new artist.

[Hygro]

yeah i agree it makes sense for it to be new to notoriety. otherwise you're punishing everyone who took time to hone their craft and independently build their fanbase.

[jaytoh]

Dubstep is angry, jump up d&b raves are angry

Really? Id say its pretty far from angry. some of the "music" might sound angry but thats it the raves are all good

[Marc S]

i dunno about that, the only trouble i've ever saw at helterskelter, dreamscape, amnesia house etc was always in the dnb arena's. DnB has a HUGE Chav following, it's a shame because the majority are not.

[DJRa1n]

Congratutions Skrillex. Here's some bass for ya.

[Unknown DJ]

Found this kind of funny.

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/431385_3076307899017_1003311077_33056268_837791121 _n.jpg

[Ferryman]

I think 100k is slightly inflated.. Probably closer to 25k... I do admire the guy, he did start a new fave of EDM. the glitch electro, big bass and beat mashing isnt exactly new, but he did make it mainstream, and everyone is eating it up!

$100,000 / £50,000 - not that hard to believe really. There are enough knobs in this country that would fill a small stadium tour in the UK, to warrent a £50,000 price tag. Anyone else seen the Korn tour, supported by Downlink? :freak:

[Hygro]

When Budzak/Pyroja and I were demoing CDJs at guitar center, there was an obscenely loud Metallica in Concert blue ray playing behind us. I don't know how or why 100,000 people managed to show up for what looked like such a God-awful concert. It's like, they're a cool band and maybe once upon a time they had a good live show but it was literally a few guys on a stage with beige-orange lighting, beige-orange pyrotechnics, black leather pants playing their instruments in the most uninspiring way.

I would never see a band like Korn in a stadium. I'd see U2, but only because the point is that it would be boring and massive. So yeah, not sure where I'm going with this.

[BuddyUK]

This is now a post your favourite non-grammy winning Aphex Twin tracks thread, i'll start:


http://youtu.be/-9HYjesSpTs

[BuddyUK]

http://youtu.be/EyDMPht7Nak

[zakalak]

I don't care. He was living illegally in a warehouse in LA and now he is making millions, good for him.

[BuddyUK]

I don't care. He was living illegally in a warehouse in LA and now he is making millions, good for him.

Because as long as you make loads of money it doesn't matter how you get it, BRB going to sell heroin outside the local primary school.

[Hygro]

Hey if there's a willing buyer, you have an obligation to sell to them to make the a world a better place.

[moyo wilde]

are you comparing skrillex:dubstep to drug dealer:heroin?

edit:forgot my aphex video

http://youtu.be/uP_3goBZj1Y

[BuddyUK]

Hey if there's a willing buyer, you have an obligation to sell to them to make the a world a better place.

Thanks for your support bro, i'm sure the little'uns will love it :tup:

[BuddyUK]

Van Gogh? Couldn't even give his paintings away, god he must suck hard.

[moyo wilde]

hey hey where are the aphex vids?

oops!


http://youtu.be/MdZs5PVcwBs

[Skeyelab]

yeah i agree it makes sense for it to be new to notoriety. otherwise you're punishing everyone who took time to hone their craft and independently build their fanbase.

this is what it is, and always has been. The rules for "Best New Artist" have not changed.

[Skeyelab]

Because as long as you make loads of money it doesn't matter how you get it, BRB going to sell heroin outside the local primary school.

he makes a product, people buy it.

[BuddyUK]

he makes a product, people buy it.


He sucks corporate c%ck, he get's a load of awards and barrowfulls of cash, the mouth breathers shell out their cash for it, welcome to the music industry they will have a new puppet next year. Never even heard one of his songs knowingly TBH and couldn't give a crap honestly, FAR below my radar musically mate.

[l0ckd0wn]

I am posting a little post in one of the first epic threads of djforums.com 2.0.

[BuddyUK]

I am posting a little post in one of the first epic threads of djforums.com 2.0.

pssst, wanna buy some smack bro....

[Hausgeist]

0CvT8XQ8rtI

[FireyFate]

. Never even heard one of his songs knowingly TBH and couldn't give a crap honestly, FAR below my radar musically mate.

LOL. So you are here calling him a sell out blah blah blah blah and you haven't even listened to one of his songs?!?

You are just as bad as the people who buy whatever is mainstream... except on a hipster high horse and think nothing mainstream can possibly be good.

[Will MaXimal]

I am not a fan of Skrillex. His style is very amature, i find his tracks dull and they do not sound like they were made by someone with talent. Just like all other genres, there is always a select very few artists that are products of the mainstream and labels. In my opinion Skrillex was created so that all things mainstream would have something to piggy back on and to market to the new generation that is totally missing what EDM is all about.


I dare to say i even find it offensive... People that have been into EDM especially in the 90s and before know that there are way more deserving artists that were the pioneers in EDM music that deserve that spot light. It pisses me off that they honestly can hand over awards to this guy, awards that are supposed to be awarded in somewhat the highest of honors.

So yea, i am not a fan of Skrillex as far as Skrillex the artist is concerend and i wish the mainstream media would stop trying to shove him down everyones throats.

[Smallz]

I am not a fan of Skrillex. His style is very amature, i find his tracks dull and they do not sound like they were made by someone with talent. Just like all other genres, there is always a select very few artists that are products of the mainstream and labels. In my opinion Skrillex was created so that all things mainstream would have something to piggy back on and to market to the new generation that is totally missing what EDM is all about.


I dare to say i even find it offensive... People that have been into EDM especially in the 90s and before know that there are way more deserving artists that were the pioneers in EDM music that deserve that spot light. It pisses me off that they honestly can hand over awards to this guy, awards that are supposed to be awarded in somewhat the highest of honors.

So yea, i am not a fan of Skrillex as far as Skrillex the artist is concerend and i wish the mainstream media would stop trying to shove him down everyones throats.

Welcome to mainstream since forever. It's not just what you know, it's who you know. And he knew deadmau5, so that was an easy catapult for him to rise to the top.

[BuddyUK]

LOL. So you are here calling him a sell out blah blah blah blah and you haven't even listened to one of his songs?!?

You are just as bad as the people who buy whatever is mainstream... except on a hipster high horse and think nothing mainstream can possibly be good.

Hipster? hardly lad, I just don't listen to modern pop music, it's too depressing how fcuking tin pan alley it all is nowadays, it's like we we've gone back 50+ years or summat. Please post one or two of his better tracks and I will happily give you my opinion. May have heard his stuff on the juke box at the pub when the young scrotes are on it or on the radio, don't even know if he is popular in the UK anyway TBH mate.

[FireyFate]

News flash. Televised award shows are aimed at the mainstream public. Expecting the Grammy's to have integrity is like expecting objective news from tabloids.

[FireyFate]

Hipster? hardly lad, I just don't listen to modern pop music, it's too depressing how fcuking tin pan alley it all is nowadays, it's like we we've gone back 50+ years or summat. Please post one or two of his better tracks and I will happily give you my opinion. May have heard his stuff on the juke box at the pub when the young scrotes are on it or on the radio, don't even know if he is popular in the UK anyway TBH mate.

I'm not saying his music is good, so I wont be posting any examples. I'm just saying you have an awful lot to say about a musician whose music you've never knowingly heard. It's easy to assume that ALL pop is bad... but I think most people would say they've been surprised at least once by a pop artist actually having some talent.

Automatically judging mainstream music as bad without listening just comes across like the anti-conformist goth kids all running to Hot-Topic and buying the same clothes to be "different." (I realize that's an American reference... fill in the blank with chavs and their chav uniform stores.)

[Will MaXimal]

Welcome to mainstream since forever. It's not just what you know, it's who you know. And he knew deadmau5, so that was an easy catapult for him to rise to the top.

I am aware of this, but at the same time it does not mean that its right. Even with Deadmau5, he has brought many innovations to the world of EDM and contributed something more than just another face. Nothing Skrillex has done is deserving of his current fame.

[Smallz]

I am aware of this, but at the same time it does not mean that its right. Even with Deadmau5, he has brought many innovations to the world of EDM and contributed something more than just another face. Nothing Skrillex has done is deserving of his current fame.

i will have to disagree. Deadmau5 has been around for a while, so he's had a lot more time to bring more to the world of EDM as you say. Skrillex just got big over a year, and yet he's doing big things such as the Mothership Tour he did, and his new label OWSLA is putting forth some interesting tunes. I find it difficult to think that "Scary Monsters" is not deserving of his current fame. His combination of putting Electro House in conjunction with Dubstep was the first I've ever heard of putting those two ideas together. Now look at all the artists that do it: Mord Fustang, Zedd, Porter Robinson, Diplo, Dillon Francis, Excision, Datsik, Steve Aoki, and so on.

Now, most of this has to do with his music production, which is what the Grammy's is mostly focused on. I think we can all agree his DJ'ing skills are pretty much non-existent.

[RDRCK]

...His combination of putting Electro House in conjunction with Dubstep was the first I've ever heard of putting those two ideas together. Now look at all the artists that do it: Mord Fustang, Zedd, Porter Robinson, Diplo, Dillon Francis, Excision, Datsik, Steve Aoki, and so on...

So, what you're saying is, if we send a T-800 back in time to assassinate Skrillex's mother, the world will be spared from the abomination that is brostep+electrohau5?

I'm on it!

[BuddyUK]

I'm not saying his music is good, so I wont be posting any examples. I'm just saying you have an awful lot to say about a musician whose music you've never knowingly heard. It's easy to assume that ALL pop is bad... but I think most people would say they've been surprised at least once by a pop artist actually having some talent.

Automatically judging mainstream music as bad without listening just comes across like the anti-conformist goth kids all running to Hot-Topic and buying the same clothes to be "different." (I realize that's an American reference... fill in the blank with chavs and their chav uniform stores.)

Was mainly being critical of the music industry sir, also do not have to hear 'an exciting mash up of dubstep circa 2011 and Electro House' to know that it is fcuking awful. Also I have to leave now to visit woek but expect an earbending about the raping of dubstep when I return.

[Smallz]

So, what you're saying is, if we send a T-800 back in time to assassinate Skrillex's mother, the world will be spared from the abomination that is brostep+electrohau5?

I'm on it!

funny, but you can't deny the influence he's had on many artists.

[Will MaXimal]

i will have to disagree. Deadmau5 has been around for a while, so he's had a lot more time to bring more to the world of EDM as you say. Skrillex just got big over a year, and yet he's doing big things such as the Mothership Tour he did, and his new label OWSLA is putting forth some interesting tunes. I find it difficult to think that "Scary Monsters" is not deserving of his current fame. His combination of putting Electro House in conjunction with Dubstep was the first I've ever heard of putting those two ideas together. Now look at all the artists that do it: Mord Fustang, Zedd, Porter Robinson, Diplo, Dillon Francis, Excision, Datsik, Steve Aoki, and so on.

Now, most of this has to do with his music production, which is what the Grammy's is mostly focused on. I think we can all agree his DJ'ing skills are pretty much non-existent.

The whole thing with combining different sub genres together has been around for a while. Using dubstep components in electro was something done way before Skrillex. Guys like Wolfgang Gartner have been experimenting with it for ages. How do you think those unofficial genres like fidget came to be? The notion of Skrillex being the influence for any top Dj/Producer makes me want to throw up.

I dont think any of his work is something deserving of an award... If you dig around you will find artists with the same type of productions that sound way cleaner. I know its all about preference and yes lots of people do like Skrillex but the demographic of Skrillex lovers are always the ones that dont know a good track from a bad track. They see a flyer for a show and the automatic response is OMFG SKRILLEX.

And lets be honest... if you have seen that gif image with the bee you can clearly see him surprised by the drop in his own track and proceeds to pretend like he is twisting knobs and making the sound on the spot. That level of amature on stage presence, not knowing your own music and being stupid enough to get drunk and spill beer on your own laptop... Well if those are the 2012 qualifications for "Breakthrough new Artist" then i guess he deserves it.

[Will MaXimal]

funny, but you can't deny the influence he's had on many artists.

Yea... no.

[Skeyelab]

News flash. Televised award shows are aimed at the mainstream public. Expecting the Grammy's to have integrity is like expecting objective news from tabloids.

actually, they are aimed at the people who are working in the music industry. voted on by a rather small amount of people who are active in making music.

voting members have to have a certain amount of credits within the last 5 years. Members only vote in categories they are active in, and voting is limited. I cannot vote in every category.

[FireyFate]

actually, they are aimed at the people who are working in the music industry. voted on by a rather small amount of people who are active in making music.

There seems to be a major disconnect between what you are saying and the actual results of these award shows...

Anyways, I don't care. Don't need an award show to tell me what is good and what isn't... and artists that are worried about them are probably in it for the "wrong" reasons.

[Skeyelab]

There seems to be a major disconnect between what you are saying and the actual results of these award shows...

There are 12,000 voting members. 3 rounds of voting, beginning in the summer. They also only televise about 10 of the 89 awards. many awards are for small craft type categories. One of the major reasons for televising the awards is to generate ad revenue for NARAS (National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences) so they can operate.

indie rock, underground music, DJs and electronic music does not embody the whole of the music industry. As with any industry, the music INDUSTRY, is comprised of the acts who are making money. electronic music is my love, but I spend most of my professional time working on pop, R&B, gospel and rap - stuff people pay for, stuff that still sells albums.

there are tons of people who make music at home, for themselves or for their love of music, and never share it. There are those that like to post on Internet forums about "the industry should be this, and the industry should be that." These are the types of people who take part in the music CHARITY. That is much different from the music industry.

[Smallz]

The whole thing with combining different sub genres together has been around for a while. Using dubstep components in electro was something done way before Skrillex. Guys like Wolfgang Gartner have been experimenting with it for ages. How do you think those unofficial genres like fidget came to be? The notion of Skrillex being the influence for any top Dj/Producer makes me want to throw up.

I dont think any of his work is something deserving of an award... If you dig around you will find artists with the same type of productions that sound way cleaner. I know its all about preference and yes lots of people do like Skrillex but the demographic of Skrillex lovers are always the ones that dont know a good track from a bad track. They see a flyer for a show and the automatic response is OMFG SKRILLEX.

And lets be honest... if you have seen that gif image with the bee you can clearly see him surprised by the drop in his own track and proceeds to pretend like he is twisting knobs and making the sound on the spot. That level of amature on stage presence, not knowing your own music and being stupid enough to get drunk and spill beer on your own laptop... Well if those are the 2012 qualifications for "Breakthrough new Artist" then i guess he deserves it.

I understand there were people before hand who were messing around with it (which tracks by Wolfgang Gartner in the past had both dubstep and electro house in it?), but i don't think it's a coincidence that this type of sound got extremely popular with a lot of artists following it around the same time Skrillex blew up.

I agree that there are other artists with better productions, and that's an argument you could make for a lot of the artists nominated for any of the awards that he won. But yes, this is all preference.

And again, I'm not arguing about his dj'ing or his techniques on the stage. I'm mostly speaking on the music he makes. That's what he won grammys for. He didn't win Best New Artist, and I agree with that because of everything you said in the third paragraph. I was absolutely floored when he made #19 on djmag (1 spot ahead of Laidback Luke, no less), but I did enjoy "Scary Monsters," and I don't really have much of a problem with him winning with that.


Yea... no.

Sorry man. Like it or hate it, it's true. Plus, a lot of well respected dj's (well, ones i respect anyway) respect him as well.

[Mahatma Coat]

1) Its not dubstep

2) The production is terrible. You would only think it was good if you had never taken the time to listen to producers who have put the graft and time in, like Peverelist or James Blake.

3) Its a pornographic bastardisation of a cultural movement intent on appealing to the lowest common denominators in a bid to shift as many units as possible.

4) Skrillex already had his foot in the door due to his previous life as an EMO teeny bopper. He had the cash and the contacts, and it was that easy. No 4am gigs in shitty clubs and warehouses for this guy. He just asked his management team to get him some gigs.

5) The Aphex Twin post was surely a marketing ploy instigated by someone on Skrillex's management team in an attempt to boost the guy's credentials.

6) He often fucks up live.

7) He's shit.

[login]

The music industry is composed mainly of THREE big labels.

[Skeyelab]

The music industry is composed mainly of THREE big labels.

truth.

[BuddyUK]

Automatically judging mainstream music as bad without listening just comes across like the anti-conformist goth kids all running to Hot-Topic and buying the same clothes to be "different." (I realize that's an American reference... fill in the blank with chavs and their chav uniform stores.)

I'll fcuking give you chav lad:

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr154/bud1uk/chav.jpg

Also they dress like they do because they are poor and stuff like Sports-Direct is all they can afford, it's not some hipster faux-rebellion. Also the two fingers is not a "peace sign" bro.

[BuddyUK]

Also I'm not going to go into the whole history of Dubstep because the tragedy of it all is just too sad to go through yet again, if you know, you know.

[thehadgi]

Not to get too political, but I'm a strong supporter of maximum wage laws. So I strongly disagree with your notion that nobody can say someone shouldn't make too much money.

Myself personally I think there should be a national salary cap of 100 times the salary of the lowest paid individuals in the country. Currently the federal minimum wage in the United States is $7.25 per hour. So in my opinion, if we want to have such a ridiculously low minimum wage in this country. There should be a maximum wage of $725 per hour. (Or about $1.5 million per year. / $725 x 40 x 52 = $1,508,000)

I take it you're not a fan of capitalism then? :lol:

[Giran]

I'll fcuking give you chav lad:

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr154/bud1uk/chav.jpg

Also they dress like they do because they are poor and stuff like Sports-Direct is all they can afford, it's not some hipster faux-rebellion. Also the two fingers is not a "peace sign" bro.

Ahh Buddy, you always crack me up! :D

[l0ckd0wn]

funny, but you can't deny the influence he's had on many artists.

Which brings me to a quote from one respectable Andrew B.;


My definition [of a sellout] is completely changing your style in a calculated attempt to garner a mainstream audience.

Every generation has the recycling of sounds and trends, but that does not mean you need to be one of the guys that sounds exactly like your peers. A very telling example of this is a few artists with huge fame that rode this same type of style wave and only a few of the artists got super big:

Deadmau5
Kaskade
Adam K
Soha
Hoxton Whores

And I know that during the "Pete Tong finds Faxing Berlin" period of time there were a bunch of different artists all picking up on what Joel Zimmerman calls "8th notes. More 8th notes."


I take it you're not a fan of capitalism then? :lol:

I'm not, but its because we don't live in a true capitalistic society, we live in a preferential-treatment-for-the-connected-socialism that is rife with subsidies which completely undermines the free market anyway.

[BuddyUK]

You're living in a Corporatocracy. the ultimate result of your idea of a 'free market' lad.

[Doppelganger]

I think I've heard about 5 tunes of his through youtube, just out of curiosity as I've never heard any of his tracks before. I must say that I wasn't impressed, none of them seem to be any different from the next one. All seem to drop at the same duration, use the same elements, sped up cowbell etc. Not impressed.

Reminds me very much of the rise of pendulum and how quickly they are losing interest in the public market now. The same will happen to this guy, when the next new thing comes along.

[Original]

I think it's funny to think that all previous Grammy winners are looking at their Grammys right now thinking: "God damnit, Skrillex? THREE?! THIS THING MEANS NOTHING."

And they would be right! :D

[David Bowman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Az_7U0-cK0

[Marc S]

"i dont care about the grammys the grammys are pointles etc etc etc"

16 page thread..:rolleyes:

[Ferryman]

I'm not going to go into the whole history of Dubstep because the tragedy of it all is just too sad to go through yet again, if you know, you know.

True say. And I'm glad I do know. It's like looking back at the great parts of an old relationship :)

:nostalgiavibes:

[HBBoogie]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SiQSjZhOzU

Not my fav Aphex Twin track, but I like the crazy ass music video done by Chris Cunningham.

[BuddyUK]

I think it's funny to think that all previous Grammy winners are looking at their Grammys right now thinking: "God damnit, Skrillex? THREE?! THIS THING MEANS NOTHING."

And they would be right! :D

How many Grammy awards does Kanye West have?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqTKOq8DmWU

[Windows 95]

I take it you're not a fan of capitalism then? :lol:Not really. But there's no reason why you can't have maximum wage laws in a capitalist society.
I could be mistaken, but I think Japan has laws that limit how much a CEO can make. (It might be a cultural thing instead of a written law.)


You're living in a Corporatocracy. the ultimate result of your idea of a 'free market' lad.It's OK to use the "F" word. Fascism doesn't equal Nazism. Instead of everybody coming up with new names for Fascism (Corporatism, Corporatocracy, etc.), people need to realize that Fascism is about politics, government & economics. Not Hitler, anti-semitism & genocide.

[BuddyUK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzXOkF29pt8

[Adzm00]

Even with Deadmau5, he has brought many innovations to the world of EDM and contributed something more than just another face.

He did?

Can you name them please?

[Somedj]

He did?

Can you name them please?

nope, pretty sure it was just a big ole mouse head.... really didnt do anything that hasnt been done before... next please

[Hausgeist]

Bah, repost!

[Original]

How many Grammy awards does Kanye West have?

Google tells me 12, and I would say he is a much more talented artist than Skrillex. More than four times.

[Skeyelab]

Google tells me 12, and I would say he is a much more talented artist than Skrillex. More than four times.

but Skrillex plays multiple instruments. Kanye can't even play one.

[Marc S]

how do you know? he dont play them on stage/in his tracks but that's not to say he cant. and there is no way you could know otherwise..jussayin

pavarotti was an opera singer, but could play most things in an orchestra, but performed only as a singer.

how many instruments one can play is a moot argument, can skrillex sing? rap? probably not. its just a different skill set.

[Ocie]

skrillex can sing, he was the lead singer of a band called from first to last. whether or not you think he can sing well is up to you :lol:

[Original]

but Skrillex plays multiple instruments. Kanye can't even play one.
I judge the final product not the tools used to create it.

[Hygro]

His combination of putting Electro House in conjunction with Dubstep was the first I've ever heard of putting those two ideas together.
Old concept.

[punky]

I think he's aight. Not groundbreaking, but aight. But I always like to see self-made artists hitting it big. He's doing what he loves; we dont' have to love it too. Good for him.

[ilya]

to summarize:
i don't see anything appealing about his music and i bet he's probably a giant cunt.
i don't see anything appealing about his music but i bet he's a nice guy.
i like his music sometimes.
[aphex twin video]
i think he doesn't deserve any grammys.
i think he deserved to win them grammys.
i don't care about the grammys.

some really intriguing discussion going on here guys :P

btw did you guys hear kim jong-il died? :-((((( i wonder if skream is doing ok...
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyiuuhc97d1r8bj5ko1_500.jpg

[Echoik]

TLDR. Milli Vanilli won Grammys. Enough said.

[Skeyelab]

how do you know? he dont play them on stage/in his tracks but that's not to say he cant. and there is no way you could know otherwise..jussayin

pavarotti was an opera singer, but could play most things in an orchestra, but performed only as a singer.

how many instruments one can play is a moot argument, can skrillex sing? rap? probably not. its just a different skill set.

how do I know? from recording sessions I have worked with Kanye West. He said it himself.

Pavarotti's instrument was his voice. Rap literally means talk. Anyone can talk. Kanye's talent is in producing performances from others and working an MPC.

Skrillex had a successful few years as lead singer and guitar player for a metal band before he began producing solo stuff

(I still don't like Skrillex's music)

[Skeyelab]

TLDR. Milli Vanilli won Grammys. Enough said.

Milli Vanilli had those Grammy's stripped of them.

So no, they did not.

[BuddyUK]

btw did you guys hear kim jong-il died?


:cry::cry::cry::cry:

ALL HAIL OUR GLORIOUS NEW LEADER KIM JONG-UN

http://i479.photobucket.com/albums/rr154/bud1uk/kim-jong-un.jpg

:love::love::love::love:

[ilya]

:love::love::love::love::love:

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/7/2010/10/ap10101001361.jpg

Brilliant Leader is so handsome too, just like his father! Is there a grammy category for looks???

here's Dear Leader with a grammy award winner. :kleenex: don't cry, his spirit remains with us through the work of david guetta.

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwi2io8p8q1r8bj5ko1_500.jpg

[DJ-ones]

any and everyone that hates on skrillex is just jealous. hes a musical genius!! but we do all have our own opinions i guess.

[Hygro]

any and everyone that hates on skrillex is just jealous. hes a musical genius!! but we do all have our own opinions i guess.

if people have their own opinions, is it not reasonable that they opine that he is not a musical genius, without motive of jealousy?

[Era 7]

any and everyone that hates on skrillex is just jealous. hes a musical genius!! but we do all have our own opinions i guess.

:eek::lol: really? i don't hate skrillex but i certainly don't think he is a musical genius. would you mind to elaborate?

[Adzm00]

any and everyone that hates on skrillex is just jealous. hes a musical genius!! but we do all have our own opinions i guess.

This has to be a joke?

So does the post about kaskade winning best album or whatever it was.

[BuddyUK]

Just listened to OWSLA#3 by Sonny Moore (nee Skrillex) and can see the Aphex influence there ..... but, many suspected (probably rightfully so, the scamp) that Aphex put these kind of records out just to take the piss. Also 8 bit sounds on what is obviously modern equipment, why? Bring back Scotch Egg rocking a party with his nintendo game boy, say I.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iNR6V7F_0Q

[jaytoh]

I can't believe this is still going on still.

But seriously. DJ's that "crowd surf" & try to smash up a macbook pro is considered as a cunt in my book

[Hygro]

I can't believe this is still going on still.

But seriously. DJ's that "crowd surf" & try to smash up a macbook pro is considered as a cunt in my book
sorry I'm a cunt xD it's all about entertainment. sometimes that's giving the crowd what they want.

[jaytoh]

I understand the entertainment factor. But I can't see why a "DJ" feels the need to crowd surf or smash up a laptop at the end of a show?!

What happened to just jumping around like a tit in the DJ booth?

[Hygro]

well, if you want absolutely madness to accompany your mad warped music, isn't crowd surfing going to up the ante?

The only time I ever did it was when the crowd requested it. Gotta give em what they want! Play the crowd you have.

[Mahatma Coat]

Philip Sherburne did an article on all this, I haven't read it yet, but he usually has something interesting to say:


Dance Music at the Grammys: What Skrillex, Deadmau5, David Guetta, et al. Mean (or Don't)

http://www.spin.com/articles/dance-music-grammys-what-skrillex-deadmau5-david-guetta-et-al-mean-or-dont?page=0%2C0

[DJ Affinity]

He's not for everyone... I'll admit, I wanted to enter hater mode when I saw his success and the lack of what he actually does on stage but.....Meh, his tracks are catchy and people like them which is the goal in this business right? Making things people want to listen to?

[Eddie]

http://i44.tinypic.com/121sln6.jpg

[Adzm00]

^^ :lol:

Anyone who comes up with the notion that because I (and others) don't like someone and think they are "shit" that it is down to being "jealous of their success" (rather than the fact those who are defending just have horrible taste) is going to get negged.

Its a silly concept that if you don't like someone its down to the fact you wish you were in their position.

[DJWhoQE]

^^ :lol:

Anyone who comes up with the notion that because I (and others) don't like someone and think they are "shit" that it is down to being "jealous of their success" (rather than the fact those who are defending just have horrible taste) is going to get negged.

Its a silly concept that if you don't like someone its down to the fact you wish you were in their position.
Indeed! I hate Skrillex's productions because they're all mid-range walls of noise and generally sound as if they were mastered in a wind tunnel; the fact that he's commercially successful is not a problem in-and-of-itself. The fact that he makes shit music while being the new face of an entire genre... that's a different story. But I couldn't care less that he's raking in the cash.

I don't actually hate the guy personally, and he's legitimately impressed me on a couple occasions. For instance, he publicly acknowledged the producers that pioneered Dubstep at the awards ceremony. I've also seen him profess his admiration of Aphex Twin. Can't be all bad, right? Perhaps these were calculated PR moves to improve his image with "purists" and the "underground" (what can I say? I'll always be a cynic deep down), but I'd like to think that his shout-outs were heartfelt.

[Ferryman]

I don't actually hate the guy personally, and he's legitimately impressed me on a couple occasions. For instance, he publicly acknowledged the producers that pioneered Dubstep at the awards ceremony. I've also seen him profess his admiration of Aphex Twin. Can't be all bad, right? Perhaps these were calculated PR moves to improve his image with "purists" and the "underground" (what can I say? I'll always be a cynic deep down), but I'd like to think that his shout-outs were heartfelt.

Yeaaa I'd like to think the marketing whores haven't infiltrated to that degree! :uhoh:

[Adzm00]

But I could care less that he's raking in the cash.


Actually its good for him, its probably good for dance music as a whole too. I don't like Guetta, I don't like Tiesto, I don't like a number of these commercial cheesey people but they do provide an entry point for those wanting to get into the scene, they do have a role to play.

On another note, it's "I couldn't care less", you know, you can't care any less than you already do. Your sentence implies you could care even less than you already do, so you currently care quite a lot about it. Just sayin ;)

[DJWhoQE]

On another note, it's "I couldn't care less", you know, you can't care any less than you already do. Your sentence implies you could care even less than you already do, so you currently care quite a lot about it. Just sayin ;)
God dammit... :argh:

[DJWhoQE]

Actually its good for him, its probably good for dance music as a whole too. I don't like Guetta, I don't like Tiesto, I don't like a number of these commercial cheesey people but they do provide an entry point for those wanting to get into the scene, they do have a role to play.
This is true, but I meant the fact that he, himself, is the one making money isn't an issue in my distaste for his music. Only his shit music is the cause of said distaste.

[Adzm00]

This is true, but I meant the fact that he, himself, is the one making money isn't an issue in my distaste for his music. Only his shit music is the cause of said distaste.

I agree 100%. Popular or not, it doesn't matter, the end result of the music you make is all that I really care about.


God dammit... :argh:

It had to be said :)

[Wakka]

i really do not understand why he is so popular. But its just a phase, like deadmau5 a few years ago he will die down eventually.

[DJWhoQE]

i really do not understand why he is so popular. But its just a phase, like deadmau5 a few years ago he will die down eventually.
Except that Deadmau5' hype still hasn't died down... :uhoh:

[Hygro]

Actually its good for him, its probably good for dance music as a whole too. I don't like Guetta, I don't like Tiesto, I don't like a number of these commercial cheesey people but they do provide an entry point for those wanting to get into the scene, they do have a role to play.

Must spread the rep... LMFAO in this interview (http://www.beatportal.com/feed/item/wmc-interview-lmfao1/)from 2009 briefly mentioned that their music was in part a potential gateway to "deeper" stuff.

It's exactly right. Like, I may like some of Skrillex, some of Guetta's pre-America albums, but I'm with Adz here, there's a lot of awful, awful, awful commercialized electronic music with way-too-hyped artists. But those artists can breathe life into deeper, better music by inspiring the passions of those from other musical backgrounds to love and explore what we love and explore.

[Wakka]

Except that Deadmau5' hype still hasn't died down... :uhoh:

really? I dont hear nearly as much about him as i used to. :blank:

[DJWhoQE]

really? I dont hear nearly as much about him as i used to. :blank:
... He just pretended to perform at the Grammys, dude. People no longer considered culturally relevant don't "play" internationally televised awards shows while awkwardly sharing a stage with the Foo Fighters. ;)

[Adzm00]

He did a Nokia Lumia launch projection mapping thing here in London, it was SHIT.

25 mins of his horrible music and his face projected on to the building, followed by roughly 4 mins of half arsed projection mapping. Waste of my time.

[Wakka]

... He just pretended to perform at the Grammys, dude. People no longer considered culturally relevant don't "play" internationally televised awards shows while awkwardly sharing a stage with the Foo Fighters. ;)

Touché good sir, I retract my statement.

[DjDisArm]

lolllz

[Interracial Tea]

i really do not understand why he is so popular. But its just a phase, like deadmau5 a few years ago he will die down eventually.

Skrillex makes aggressive electronic music. Electronic music is becoming more and more popular amongst teenagers. They also like aggressive music. Combine that and you have something people are down with.

[Gnozis]

I still don't see why so many "music enthusiast" don't like him. I mean come on, the dude reunited The Doors for the first time in 30 years and made an amazing track with them. Promises that he did with Nero is great. Kyoto is a great track. I don't get the hate at all....

[Claude Perdu]

...the dude reunited The Doors for the first time in 30 years and made an amazing track with them...

Please be sarcasm. Am I being trolled?

[xyloft]

I'm really struggling to understand the statement that keeps getting repeated: "Skrillex ruined dubstep." or "i dont like where skrillex took dubstep." is it because Skrillex is popular that the other style of dubstep you used to listen to is gone? I'm not a huge dubstep fan (I like drumstep a lot though), but it just confuses me.

I mean, lets look at Metal. do you think the Heavy Metal fans from the 70's looked at metallica and slayer in the 80's and said "you know, Slayer ruined heavy metal." Those 80 bands branched off and started a sub genre: Thrash Metal. but its like the invention of thrash metal destroy all previous heavy metal?

it just kind of reminds me of conversations I used to have in the 90's while in Highschool with the punk kids. They would tell me "oh, I stopped liking that band when I found ou they had 10,000 fans" wtf? did their music change? I never got that either.

I guess my point is, I can still go to any MP3 Store and find songs that were produced within the last week in various sub styles of each genre. sure, the tiesto style trance may have more, but i can still find the christopher lawrence style trance.

While were on the grammy's topic, what really annoys me is that pop media really likes to interchange the word DJ and Producer. I think a lot of the hate that EDM gets from the "musical elitests" would go away if they learned what producers actually do vs what they think DJ's do.

[thehadgi]

One day I will have a 20 + thread on my music productions on DJF, and it will be at that point I know I have made an impact on the music world.

Back to the studio!

[moyo wilde]

to summarize 22 pages:

1) "real" dubstep fans don't like skrillex
2) the grammy's don't know anything about music
3) skrillex makes 100,000 a show
4) dj's should/shouldn't make that much
5) aphex twin good
6) success bad

[Gnozis]

Please be sarcasm. Am I being trolled?


To each their own, but I'm a huge fan of The Doors and it was awesome to see them make a new song. Fun fact. Since John Densmore (the drummer) had a fallout with Ray and Robby, he had to come lay down the drums on the track at a different time then when Manzarek and Krieger came in to do their parts.

[Claude Perdu]

Nevermind my last comment. I really had no idea that was true, I thought he just sampled something older of them.

[popong]

"Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People."
this! :P

[BuddyUK]

I'm really struggling to understand the statement that keeps getting repeated: "Skrillex ruined dubstep." or "i dont like where skrillex took dubstep." is it because Skrillex is popular that the other style of dubstep you used to listen to is gone? I'm not a huge dubstep fan (I like drumstep a lot though), but it just confuses me.

Don't hate the guy but he fused what are two strikingly unoriginal genres of music and was hailed as some kind of genius, also the dance Grammys are bullshit, basically.


I mean, lets look at Metal. do you think the Heavy Metal fans from the 70's looked at metallica and slayer in the 80's and said "you know, Slayer ruined heavy metal." Those 80 bands branched off and started a sub genre: Thrash Metal. but its like the invention of thrash metal destroy all previous heavy metal?

it just kind of reminds me of conversations I used to have in the 90's while in Highschool with the punk kids. They would tell me "oh, I stopped liking that band when I found ou they had 10,000 fans" wtf? did their music change? I never got that either.

Compare Techno to metal then, the guys who started it all are revered by their fans, you can love the latest hot track by the flavour of the month producer, but still have maximum respect for the pioneers like Derrick May et all the same way Slayer fans still respect Black Sabbath, they have an appreciation of the history and legacy of their music.


I guess my point is, I can still go to any MP3 Store and find songs that were produced within the last week in various sub styles of each genre. sure, the tiesto style trance may have more, but i can still find the christopher lawrence style trance.

See below, also who owns these MP3 stores and who is ultimately making money out of it? Not the artists in most cases, also who REALLY buys MP3's and what real intrinsic value do they have?


While were on the grammy's topic, what really annoys me is that pop media really likes to interchange the word DJ and Producer. I think a lot of the hate that EDM gets from the "musical elitests" would go away if they learned what producers actually do vs what they think DJ's do.

there is no real difference in what the two do anymore, they just plug in their laptop and the software does the rest. A producer doesn't make music in real time, how can you reproduce that live? A DJ defectively does/do that, he has a 6 minute track say and 6 minutes to play it live, the DJ was the medium between the producer and his audience, once upon a time the producers sat in their studios/bedrooms making music, the DJ's played it, the punters went out and bought the records. The producers got a percentage from their music that was sold and carried on making their music, there were always people who did both but that was not really relevant here. Along the way you had a network of people who helped this happen, pressing plants, sound engineers/cutters, distributors, labels, promoters, records shops etc. and most of all record buyers. Some succeeded to whatever extent and got paid others fell along the wayside, that's life. Nowadays with a few exceptions Joe Punter deosn't want to hear DJ X he wants to hear the guy he heard on youtube or downloaded their MP3 for nothing so as the piracy apologists have always said they have to go and do fake shows and pretend to play live, sell t-shirts etc. etc. to make a little money. If the 'entertainment corporations' decide to back you like they have Skrillex this year (It'll be someone else next year, as we say in Britain he'll be 'yesterdays chip wrappers') then it's happy fucking days for , grab the money while you can, it won't last long. Anyway at the end of the day as far as dubstep goes it's a sad tale that doesn't bear repeating as i said before Caspa and Rusko dug the grave Skrillex just threw the dirt on it, even if he was to even if he was to support those who pioneered it (shich he wont BTW) what good would it do, the crowd who come to see him wouldn't be able to understand real innovators like Pinch or Boxcutter do for example, they wouldn't, they want the latest banging dubstep remix of 'mr Sandman' or whatever. Also I have no hate at all for Skream, all power to him, he may well be swigging champers, snorting up the lines of chalk whilst getting blowjobs from groupies in the 'party scene' but for a young lad like him from some shitty South London suburb with limited prospects and all that that it entails, best of luck to him.


to summarize 22 pages:

5) aphex twin good



This is true, the rest is not so black and white.

[silentsounds]

It's the Grammy's. You look at some of the past winners and things definitely start making sense. This is basically like the yearly thread created to complain about the DJ Mag Top 100 or whatever that list is called.

[BuddyUK]

DJ Mag Top 100 :facepalm:

[xyloft]

See below, also who owns these MP3 stores and who is ultimately making money out of it? Not the artists in most cases, also who REALLY buys MP3's and what real intrinsic value do they have?

There is no real difference in what the two do anymore, they just plug in their laptop and the software does the rest. A producer doesn't make music in real time, how can you reproduce that live? A DJ defectively does/do that, he has a 6 minute track say and 6 minutes to play it live, the DJ was the medium between the producer and his audience, once upon a time the producers sat in their studios/bedrooms making music, the DJ's played it, the punters went out and bought the records.

I duno.. I think there is a real difference between what the two. I've been spinning for 6 years now and only started producing basic tracks in the last year. There are LOT's of DJ's that are not producers. When the media says "hey DJ Skrillex is getting a grammy" the country bumpkins down the street think "DJ? Like at the strip club or my sisters wedding?"

I agree and disagree with producers not being able to do it live. What I do when I DJ and what DJ Enferno does are completely different.

But I agree that most producers perform their tracks by DJing. Some just spin two decks and some do more. Although I have seen Glitch Mob, BT and Pendulum perform their tracks with a "band" (well, without tables).

[Hausgeist]

A producer doesn't make music in real time, how can you reproduce that live? A DJ defectively does/do that, he has a 6 minute track say and 6 minutes to play it live, the DJ was the medium between the producer and his audience, once upon a time the producers sat in their studios/bedrooms making music, the DJ's played it, the punters went out and bought the records.

:bing:

Sure there has been live p.a., but for the most part the DJ was the "live" performance of electronic music. That's the way I have always looked at it, and the same reason why I don't care at all about hearing DJs mix, or even play, non electronic music. Save that stuff for the bands.

[Archon]

Tell that to Tiesto. http://i.imgur.com/vDtPk.gif

tiesto can hardly be called a DJ, he sucks at mixing. hes almost as big a joke as David Guetta

[silentsounds]

:bing:

Sure there has been live p.a., but for the most part the DJ was the "live" performance of electronic music. That's the way I have always looked at it, and the same reason why I don't care at all about hearing DJs mix, or even play, non electronic music. Save that stuff for the bands.

I sort of get this point of view. With that said however, the few shows I have been to, is primarily for the atmosphere. The places I've lived in have never had the type of nightclubs that large cities like L.A, Miami, London, etc. have. So when a big name came to town, it was always a new experience. I've made it out to a few shows here and there and I usually don't care about small train wrecks the DJs make here and there.

It seems like some people are complete pros here the way they bash other DJs.

With that said, I agree with the poster above that Tiesto is indeed a very average DJ. I've watched a number of the DVDs he has put out and watching it sober definitely shows the mediocrity. I'd still love to see him live one day though.

[Hausgeist]

^ Did you quote the correct post?

[silentsounds]

^ Did you quote the correct post?

I think I did. I may have misinterpreted some of what you said though. Hmm.

The whole post wasn't a response to just your post though.

[Hausgeist]

I think I did. I may have misinterpreted some of what you said though. Hmm.

Yeah, man. I have no idea what you are talking about or how it relates to my post at all.