This is fact.

[drumpusher]

We're all a bunch of talentless c**ts :teef:

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[Marc S]

lol the title is right though, dj does not = musician, not even a little bit

[Ellissentials]

I just wasted 3 minutes and 25 seconds of my life.....





Slightly funny tho hah :lol:

[Hausgeist]

Unless you happen to be a musician who is also a dj.

[Marc S]

well there is that, but djing is no more musician than bricklaying

[Damon_Chambers]

^truth. all it means is you have an ounce of rythm.

[DJ Elroy]

And a lot of these kids nowadays can't even make a decent brick wall, let alone build something that actually takes creativity, practice, and perseverance :argh:

[Damon_Chambers]

and thats the problem with the majority of "music" on beatport and the like. its just stuff penciled down in a sequencer. its become so easy for people to "make music" that anyone can do it and think they are teh awesome.

[bdzzle]

you're just a poser in a flat brimmed hat..

[Serendipity]

Great producers do not necessarily make great DJs. But they are expected to be good, unfortunately for them. Bonus if they're fantastic DJs. But I don't criticize them too badly if they're not perfect. :)

Great DJ's do not necessarily make great producers. Nor are they expected to be. But they usually have a following so a lot of ppl will end up buying their stuff anyway. Junk or not.

There's a few that kick ass at both, and a LOT that suck at both.

[l0ckd0wn]

you're just a poser in a flat brimmed hat..

:school:

[bdzzle]

watchu tryin to say, justin?

[l0ckd0wn]

Ummm...


you're just a poser in a flat brimmed hat..


:school:

:school:


:D

And I thought that part of the video was hilarious!

[g-sep]

Great DJ+Producer: Victor Calderone

[Atomisk]

well there is that, but djing is no more musician than bricklaying
So true

[Atomisk]

and thats the problem with the majority of "music" on beatport and the like. its just stuff penciled down in a sequencer. its become so easy for people to "make music" that anyone can do it and think they are teh awesome.

I do agree that there is a ton of absolute shit music out online, but creating music from scratch is not an easy thing. While it is extremely elementary compared to classical music (see: chord progression), Not everyone can become a skilled producer. DJing and Production aren't really comparable in terms of skill. One involves pure talent, years of training, music theory and studio knowledge, while the other one involves decent taste in music and pressing play.

[drumpusher]

but creating music from scratch is not an easy thing.

You took the vid a bit too subjectively, and seem to be on the defensive. Look at it again. It's not really talking about production, it's talking about the skill and complexity of being able to play an instrument in real time versus the inane ability to beatmatch, and pokes fun at those who are delusional enough to consider it equal to someone with a real talent.

Production is a piece of piss too imho, so we learned a couple of minor chord progressions and can arrange a few sampled drum one shots on what's basically a 2 dimensional array that's played back for us. Big deal. One notch up from DJing but I still wouldn't consider myself a musician. :teef:

[Hygro]

Damon, if production is so easy, where's your top hits?

[JohnXVI]

Who made that ish, Deadmau5?

[finalcoyote]

You just wasted 3 minutes of my life.

[MeowMix]

^truth. all it means is you have an ounce of rythm.

And sometimes not even that

[GaFFLe]

The hater that created that DJ video is probably a member of a coverband that also "plays other people's music". Loser.

[DJ Klownz]

I hate these videos with a passion.

[Era 7]

I hate these videos with a passion.

+1 with the flaming heat of 1000 suns.

[drumpusher]

LOL at all the posers in flat brimmed hats getting butthurt! :teef:

[JohnnyGraz]

This video was excellent. Made my day! Reminds me of a time my manager came into work and said "I just realized that people make a living by playing OTHER peoples music."

[Interracial Tea]

He'll yes. It only took 7 hours for a "Are DJs musicians?" debate to start.

[Atomisk]

He'll yes. It only took 7 hours for a "Are DJs musicians?" debate to start.
Incorrect, this thread started in beta. I already made the first repost too, don't worry.

[mr_ragz]

You took the vid a bit too subjectively, and seem to be on the defensive. Look at it again. It's not really talking about production, it's talking about the skill and complexity of being able to play an instrument in real time versus the inane ability to beatmatch, and pokes fun at those who are delusional enough to consider it equal to someone with a real talent.

Production is a piece of piss too imho, so we learned a couple of minor chord progressions and can arrange a few sampled drum one shots on what's basically a 2 dimensional array that's played back for us. Big deal. One notch up from DJing but I still wouldn't consider myself a musician. :teef:

I would love to hear some of your music, being as you are so confident it is an easy task. I have been putting far more energy into producing than dj'ing for the past year, and only recently has it started to sound even halfway decent.

[Soft Talk]

and now everyone's a DJ.

[Sigma]

The "DJs are not musicians" argument comes up a lot.

I think it's insulting when made as a blanket statement. There are varying degrees of DJing as there are varying degrees of playing a more traditional music instrument. For instance, I would not say that the guy who plays the triangle in an orchestra is as skilled as a virtuoso violinist, but they are still both musicians. I could say to that triangle player, "but you're just hitting a bit of metal with another bit of metal" and that would be a reasonably accurate description, but that person is a musician nonetheless.

It's easy to crush these "DJs aren't musicians" arguments by posting videos where a DJ creates a layered composition using a loop pedal - usually it's a turntablist. Then the goalposts are often shifted to how the skills required to do that compare to the skills required to play a more traditional instrument, but those arguments are usually made by people that have never tried using a turntable, mixer and loop pedal to create a composition. Either way, the difficulty argument is moot as the people making those arguments don't consider difficulty in other situations.

Then there is the "but you're just playing other people's music" argument. Again, that's irrelevant. Very few people level that accusation at those that use samplers or drum machines to create music, and those people are just triggering and manipulating sounds created by another person too. That's not what musicianship is about. When I hit a triangle, I am triggering a sound that's created by the properties of the piece of metal I'm hitting and by the piece of metal I'm using to hit it. I can manipulate that sound in certain ways within given boundaries. This is no different to any person making sample-based music.

So the argument is simply false. Demonstrably so. The only people who believe it to be true are those that simply don't know enough to realise why they are wrong.

[AlanHadgis]

I'm getting pretty comfortable with producing, and haven't DJ'd properly in 2 years... I never was an awesome DJ technique wise. I could build good tracklists in general, but if I play show I'd be unsure how to play my own tunes :confused:I'm kinda scared if my music ever takes off because I'm gonna have to brush up fast

[Chay]

The "DJs are not musicians" argument comes up a lot.

I think it's insulting when made as a blanket statement. There are varying degrees of DJing as there are varying degrees of playing a more traditional music instrument. For instance, I would not say that the guy who plays the triangle in an orchestra is as skilled as a virtuoso violinist, but they are still both musicians. I could say to that triangle player, "but you're just hitting a bit of metal with another bit of metal" and that would be a reasonably accurate description, but that person is a musician nonetheless.

It's easy to crush these "DJs aren't musicians" arguments by posting videos where a DJ creates a layered composition using a loop pedal - usually it's a turntablist. Then the goalposts are often shifted to how the skills required to do that compare to the skills required to play a more traditional instrument, but those arguments are usually made by people that have never tried using a turntable, mixer and loop pedal to create a composition. Either way, the difficulty argument is moot as the people making those arguments don't consider difficulty in other situations.

Then there is the "but you're just playing other people's music" argument. Again, that's irrelevant. Very few people level that accusation at those that use samplers or drum machines to create music, and those people are just triggering and manipulating sounds created by another person too. That's not what musicianship is about. When I hit a triangle, I am triggering a sound that's created by the properties of the piece of metal I'm hitting and by the piece of metal I'm using to hit it. I can manipulate that sound in certain ways within given boundaries. This is no different to any person making sample-based music.

So the argument is simply false. Demonstrably so. The only people who believe it to be true are those that simply don't know enough to realise why they are wrong.

I have been educated today :tup:

[Sigma]

Haha. Here's an example of what I mean: -

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Now whether people like this or not is one thing, but if someone can explain to me how this is not a musician at work, then fire away. It embodies what I said about manipulating your given medium within certain restraints and clearly there's a compositional element to this and it's not just some guy "playing someone else's record".

[mostapha]

clearly there's a compositional element to this and it's not just some guy "playing someone else's record".

I agree wholeheartedly.

Perhaps the problem is in people's individual definitions of "musician," because I don't think that anyone could make a legitimate argument that DJing is not a form of artistic expression. Artistic directors in theatre companies have far less to do with the artistic experience of the audience than even a lousy DJ, and they're still doing something artistic, hence the title.

[Sigma]

Yeah, there's a definite grey area.

I mean, if I pick a guitar up and strum the strings, am I musician for just doing that? If not, at what point do I cross the line from some guy holding a guitar into a musician?

Once you get into the area where people are composing their own stuff though, I think the line is crossed, so that's why I think the video I posted is definitely in the "musician" group rather than the "he's a DJ, but not a musician" group.